2020 Recruiting Thread

[FearlessF]

it's called oversigning in the south

[Cincydawg]

I hear less about over signing these days.  Of course the SEC has not looked so "dominant" either.

If you look at any recruiting map, the SEC should be totally dominant.

[Anonymous Coward]

it's called oversigning in the south

Oversigning's definition involves pushing out kids before they graduate. Generally it involved pushing out underclassmen; sometimes it involved pushing out true freshmen (the lowest rated in their class) a week before matriculating. None of this applies to college graduates who occupied the roster throughout their 4-year contract. Unlike underclassmen with an active contract and without a degree, fifth year seniors are not a vulnerable population in need of protection.

BUT if you read all that and still interpret it as negative, who am I am to fight your opinion? There can be a negative side to needing to make the team to earn a fifth-year scholarship, and if you want we can come up with a word to describe that. But it cant be "oversigning." That one is already taken to describe a distinctly other thing.

[Anonymous Coward]

I hear less about over signing these days.  Of course the SEC has not looked so "dominant" either.

If you look at any recruiting map, the SEC should be totally dominant.

The new SEC class restriction rules almost perfectly eliminated oversigning nationwide.

[FearlessF]

BUT if you read all that and still interpret it as negative, who am I am to fight your opinion? There can be a negative side to needing to make the team to earn a fifth-year scholarship, and if you want we can come up with a word to describe that. But it cant be "oversigning." That one is already taken to describe a distinctly other thing.

just stirring the pot.......

[847badgerfan]

I don't like to see kids who have given their all to a program get run off, period. I'm not pot stirring.


I know it happens, and it has happened at my school too (not as much as elsewhere, thankfully).


Doesn't mean I have to think it's OK. It's not.

[Anonymous Coward]

To me, keeping fifth years beyond their graduation and contract, and doing it automatically and no matter what, is related to "give everyone a trophy" culture.

[847badgerfan]

Kids sign up to play 4 years. That the kid is redshirted is most often not his choice.

[Anonymous Coward]

Under the whole system of amateurism, kids sign up to get an undergraduate diploma for free. There are no promises for a certain number of starts. There are no promises for any snaps. And according to the contract, there aren't promises for a fifth year. As for the reason for the redshirt, that's right. Usually, kids take redshirts when they aren't good enough to play.

Either way, you're in strange territory here, arguing for giving kids the football status they want, even if it's beyond what they were promised and even if they never earned it.

There's nothing wrong with letting everyone who wants stay until they graduate and treating anything beyond those four scholarship years as a reward that is not for everyone but can be earned.

[FearlessF]

As long as it's the kid's choice to stay for the 4th or 5th year to gain the degree, I'm ok with it

[Cincydawg]

How much functional difference is there 2-3 years later to have been ranked 1st in 247 or say 8th or 10th?

Unanswerable really.  Obviously a team can find a QB who is sensational and able to carry a team a long way even with some holes elsewhere.  

And of course we all know some 3 stars who mature and become all stars.  I figure you need to stay in the top ten to really be in line for an NC these days, but maybe 8th or 1st, not necessarily different.  Now if you sign 4-5-6 five star guys, that is probably a good thing versus 1 or 2.

[Anonymous Coward]

I think the BCR (blue chip ratio) has been predictive every year since 1998 (inaugural BCS) of the national championship ... at least in terms of separating a small set of in-group candidates from the majority of teams for whom an NC is effectively impossible.

The BCR is basic. Add up total 4* and 5* kids on scholarship. Then divide that number by the total scholarship roster (often by 85) and multiply by 100%. *Every* nat'l champ since 1998 has had a BCR >50%. This year that in-group is:

Alabama, LSU, Georgia, Auburn, FSU, Clemson, OSU, Michigan, Southern Cal. Just 9 teams.

[Anonymous Coward]

FWIW, as a sanity check I compared the list I found for 2019 to several from 2018. Those also included Texas, Oklahoma, PSU and ND. They were the lowest rated four. Maybe they really did fall below 50%, hence their exclusion from the 2019 candidates, but I haven't crunched the numbers to verify my source on that.

[847badgerfan]

FSU and USC are gonna suck this year.