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Re: 2020 deathly serious recruiting discourse thread
« Reply #266 on: June 28, 2019, 09:37:01 PM »
The best way to sort committable and non-committable offers is unfortunately to analyze data like "frequency/length/content of phone calls between coaches and recruits," which we don't have access to.

Absent that, we have to rely on recruiting service middle men to get true info during candid interviews (between 247/rivals and the kids/coaches) and then to relay it to us with fidelity. For a post like this, I sort of have to skip over whether this is desirable or creepy. The main problem involves the trust and consistency for each middle man and how to manage disagreements between different middle men.

It's another example of us being in the "gut feel" dark ages when the real info is obvious (to true insiders) and out there.
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Re: 2020 deathly serious recruiting discourse thread
« Reply #267 on: June 28, 2019, 11:22:07 PM »
These aren't Consumer Reports, they are subscription driven businesses, and the helmet schools provide the most subscribers.  Thanks to Fox News/MSNBC culture, people don't want to hear anything than a validation of their own opinions.
So, this feels a little dissonant because it struggles in getting interrogated by itself.

Doubting the efficacy of recruiting rankings is literally an opinion that many. many of us want very much like validated. In fact, we are often looking for small data points they do validate that opinion. Grabbing and holding onto the memorable post-commit bumps as proof  is us finding validation.

Badge  did this very thing earlier. The change in status for a badgers recruit in the two primary ranking services was pretty negligible  if one exists at all. But he sought out the one that would prove the point the whole system is bunk.

In the end, it’s not a scalpel-accurate system. If we accept that fact, it is a mostly-useful predictor, but far from the perfect one (same for having a good coach or having good players a key positions). Maybe it really is just all catering to the helmets, but in that case, being a helmet is a pretty good predictor for everything in the sport  and those teams are bringing in enough good players that the mis-identified ones mostly come out in the wash

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Re: 2020 deathly serious recruiting discourse thread
« Reply #268 on: June 29, 2019, 08:57:16 AM »
I just read that Joe Schmoo, a 4th grader from Abilene, Texas, has committed to Texas A&M.  It's considered a soft commit, and he's only a 3 star at the moment.

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Re: 2020 deathly serious recruiting discourse thread
« Reply #269 on: June 29, 2019, 03:28:22 PM »
Four star linebacker Cody Simon commits to the buckeyes out of New Jersey

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Re: 2020 deathly serious recruiting discourse thread
« Reply #270 on: June 29, 2019, 05:05:04 PM »
Who do you trust?  Saban has a 3 star cb from Jacksonville committed this year.  Anybody think this is a 3 star player? I bet he deserves a bump. I trust Saban or Kirby to know a player when  they see one, as opposed to some some computer whiz kid relying on 40 times or whatever.

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Re: 2020 deathly serious recruiting discourse thread
« Reply #271 on: June 29, 2019, 05:24:13 PM »
Well, let's see, some web sites, OR some paid professional staffs who do this for a living, or are out of a job.

Hmmmmmmmmm.

If your staff can't recruit, there's your problem, unless they go for guys they know they can coach up.  If Kirby recruits a 2 star whatever, I'm fine with that.

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Re: 2020 deathly serious recruiting discourse thread
« Reply #272 on: June 29, 2019, 05:42:10 PM »
After missing out on their top two QB targets to Louisville and Purdue, MSU has turned to 3* CA QB CJ Stroud, who grew up in Michigan.  He's WSUs #1 target though, and I don't know why you wouldn't prefer to play in that offense.

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Re: 2020 deathly serious recruiting discourse thread
« Reply #273 on: June 29, 2019, 06:01:44 PM »
Bucks also add 4 star DT Darrion Henry out of Cincinnati

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Re: 2020 deathly serious recruiting discourse thread
« Reply #274 on: June 30, 2019, 01:48:48 PM »
After missing out on their top two QB targets to Louisville and Purdue, MSU has turned to 3* CA QB CJ Stroud, who grew up in Michigan.  He's WSUs #1 target though, and I don't know why you wouldn't prefer to play in that offense.
And then he went out and set a Day 1 scoring record at the Elite 11 finals.  So, my guess is his recruitment is a little more than MSU vs. WSU now

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Re: 2020 deathly serious recruiting discourse thread
« Reply #275 on: June 30, 2019, 09:12:57 PM »
PJ Pressured another recruit (3 weeks ago) and 4 star WR Daniel Jackson committed to the Gophers tonight!

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Re: 2020 deathly serious recruiting discourse thread
« Reply #276 on: June 30, 2019, 09:58:41 PM »
Chamberlain (SD) High four-star defensive tackle Nash Hutmacher has announced his commitment to Nebraska. He also strongly considered Oregon and Wisconsin.

"The people and the coaching staff were exactly what I was looking for," Hutmacher told 247Sports on Saturday. "Just the mindset they have, Frost is a winner and he is changing the whole culture down there!"


The 6-foot-5, 285-pound Hutmacher is ranked by 247Sports as the nations' No. 27 defensive tackle. He was the top player on the board at the position for Frost and his staff.

Hutmacher is commit No. 6 for Nebraska in the class of 2020.

Hutmacher is a difference-maker on both sides of the ball for Chamberlain High where he is also a three-sport standout. Ranked as the nation’s No. 3 heavyweight wrestler by InterMat, and certainly one of the strongest prospects in this 2020 class, the 6-foot-5, 285-pound Hutmacher maxes out at 420 pounds on the bench, 610 on squat and 600 on dead lift.

In addition to an undefeated wrestling season where he literally pinned every opponent the entire campaign en route to a third-straight state championship (he’s also a national champion), he flexed his muscles on the track with a 54-foot plus shot put throw. Scroll through his power lifting videos on Twitter and you’ll see him ripping sets of 10 at 425 on the squat, sets of five at 470 on the deadlift, sets of five at 225 pounds on standing shoulder press and 34-inch box jumps with 100-pounds in his hands.

Hutmacher is explosive, obviously powerful, has good balance and certainly understands leverage.

"We love his profile, love his competitiveness we love his body type, it's just about determining his upside is going to take more exposure to him as a football player and not just a strength athlete," 247Sports Director of Scouting Barton Simmons said. "But he's the type of guy Nebraska is trying to build the program around."
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Re: 2020 deathly serious recruiting discourse thread
« Reply #277 on: July 01, 2019, 06:36:28 AM »
It's weird to me that 2020 recruiting would be a topic.  That seems like it is 3 years off, or something.

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Re: 2020 deathly serious recruiting discourse thread
« Reply #278 on: July 02, 2019, 04:32:48 PM »
 a recent recruit talking about the Minnesota Coaching staff

“Minnesota, their coaches are just different,” Moore said to Illini Inquirer's Jeremy Werner. “Over there, they love each other genuinely and they love the game of football. They all just act different over there, and they’re all just one.”

People think PJ is a clown but he is for real.  he is quirky and is not for everyone but he is real.  He has a lot of energy which can turn off some but he is genuine and the recruits love him.  he lives what he talks about

I was suspect at first but he is backing up his talk.  looking forward to the football season here in MPLS

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Re: 2020 deathly serious recruiting discourse thread
« Reply #279 on: July 02, 2019, 04:45:54 PM »
He's definitely not for everyone...


How many commits does he have now, and how many seniors are on the roster?
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