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Re: 2020 deathly serious recruiting discourse thread
« Reply #308 on: July 08, 2019, 06:31:30 PM »
https://247sports.com/college/georgia/Article/College-football-recruiting-arms-race-Alabama-Ohio-State-Georgia-Clemson-LSU--133490848/?fbclid=IwAR2DOUeeAIZjHrzgEyngYMQ7lx774LaQaKP3LzrMVhzGeaIo7BXelY9eaCA

“There definitely is an arms race between Georgia, Clemson, Ohio State, Alabama, LSU, those type of schools,” Georgia quarterback commit Carson Beck told 247Sports. “All the top talent is going to get truly split between those schools unless one school comes together and form that No. 1 class that’s just unreal.”
LSU, who hasn't had a 10-win season since 2013?

Interesting.
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Re: 2020 deathly serious recruiting discourse thread
« Reply #309 on: July 08, 2019, 09:44:09 PM »
LSU, who hasn't had a 10-win season since 2013?

Interesting.
They won 10 last year. 

Went 8, 9, 8, 9, 10. Woulda been 8, 10, 9, 9, 10 but for weather. 

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Re: 2020 deathly serious recruiting discourse thread
« Reply #310 on: July 08, 2019, 09:59:58 PM »
Oops!  How'd I miss that?  ~???
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Re: 2020 deathly serious recruiting discourse thread
« Reply #311 on: July 09, 2019, 07:44:50 AM »
Oops!  How'd I miss that?  ~???
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Re: 2020 deathly serious recruiting discourse thread
« Reply #312 on: July 09, 2019, 08:48:53 AM »
LSU is usually near the top of the recruiting rankings, I think that was the point.  The same 5 programs take half the top ten every year, probably 5 out of the top 7 nearly every year.  Clemson has really upped their recruiting.  They were in the teens not too many years back.  (Duh).

What Dabo has done there merits some credit I think and oddly gets over looked to an extent.  I saw some numbers that said Clemson has the highest "chance" by far of winning the conference (duh).  I thought that could hurt them against Bama.

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Re: 2020 deathly serious recruiting discourse thread
« Reply #313 on: July 09, 2019, 09:11:55 AM »
LSU is usually near the top of the recruiting rankings, I think that was the point.  The same 5 programs take half the top ten every year, probably 5 out of the top 7 nearly every year.  Clemson has really upped their recruiting.  They were in the teens not too many years back.  (Duh).

What Dabo has done there merits some credit I think and oddly gets over looked to an extent.  I saw some numbers that said Clemson has the highest "chance" by far of winning the conference (duh).  I thought that could hurt them against Bama.
How would that hurt them against Bama? (Unless you mean in last year’s title game)

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Re: 2020 deathly serious recruiting discourse thread
« Reply #314 on: July 09, 2019, 09:26:14 AM »
I thought their relative lack of competition would hurt them when they faced Bama.  I thought Bama would push them around in the trenches.

Was wrong.

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Re: 2020 deathly serious recruiting discourse thread
« Reply #315 on: July 09, 2019, 09:44:35 AM »
Bama pushed them around a bit with the running game.  Should have run the ball more and passed less.  Fewer picks for big plays that way.
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Re: 2020 deathly serious recruiting discourse thread
« Reply #316 on: July 09, 2019, 09:45:32 AM »
Nebraska football added a talented athlete out of Texas on Monday as 2020 Midway (Texas) athlete William Nixon chose Nebraska over offers from Notre Dame, Purdue, Georgia Tech, Baylor and others.

Nixon made an unofficial visit to Nebraska in early June and came away impressed with how Nebraska planned to feature him in their offense. The 5-foot-11, 187-pound Nixon is a weapon both in the running and passing game, and is a natural fit at Nebraska's Duck-R spot, which takes advantage of unique athletes on offense. At Midway, Nixon was lined up all over offensive formations, giving the ball to the talented athlete via handoff or in the slot.


Nixon brings a unique perspective to Nebraska's recruiting class. His father Jeff was a wide receiver at Penn State and currently serves as the co-offensive coordinator for Baylor and has also coached in the NFL.

The commitment on Monday gives Nebraska another wide receiver commit to pair with four-star wide receiver Zavier Betts out of Bellevue West. The commitment gives Nebraska eight commitments and moves the Huskers up to the No. 54 recruiting class in the country with just eight commitments.

The 5-foot-11, 187-pound Nixon holds an overall rating of 87 according to 247Sports.
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Re: 2020 deathly serious recruiting discourse thread
« Reply #317 on: July 09, 2019, 12:19:24 PM »
I guess if he has offers from GT, ND, and Purdue, he's a good student.

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Re: 2020 deathly serious recruiting discourse thread
« Reply #318 on: July 09, 2019, 01:50:27 PM »
his father understands education, that might help

I think it says something about Frost's staff that Dad would allow the youngster to go to Lincoln

of course, probably nothing wrong with the other schools on the list
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Re: 2020 deathly serious recruiting discourse thread
« Reply #319 on: July 09, 2019, 10:18:06 PM »
So I thought this was an interesting thing floating around that tied into a few thoughts I had on posts here the I hadn't had time to reply to. 


https://twitter.com/brianherrienn/status/1148028894894837762?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

That's UGA tailback Brian Herrien. What he doesn't mention is that until more than three months after signing day, he didn't have any offers at all. He had to get As in high final three HS classes and hit an ACT number that semester just to qualify, and since has played behind ... well four- and five-star guys.

I was interested because we often discuss recruiting rankings, and when someone is underrated, I always say ask why because the why often makes a little sense and that's more interesting than anything else.

I was thinking of the vectors that make a change and applying them to a few topics that came up in recent weeks. These seem to be some of the factors
-Size: If you're not big enough, you better put up big numbers. TThis also seems to include frame, especially for when tall, willowy quick pass rushers get four stars at 215 pounds as sophomores. 
-Film: This can be tricky because of quality of opponent, but it always helps to have a smattering of wow plays to show someone in the first minute of a clip. The junior stuff and maybe sophomore stuff carries more weight than later. What's interesting is this is usually divorced from being an effective football player. 
-Testing numbers: This isn't what you do at Rivals camp, but it's what you do at team camps. If you go to UW, they probably make you run or jump, and that can make a difference.
-Offers: If no P5 schools are trying to get you, chances are it says something. Not everything, but in many cases something.

Things that are applied less evenly. 
-Grades: These days they can keep a kid off the board, though sometimes they get blessed with a ranking before issues become clear
-Position changes: Sometimes this totally derails a kid, but often not.

I was thinking about this when we discussed Jonathan Taylor's ranking and Purdue football commit Michael Alaimo, who MSU was after.

Taylor was an interesting case. He was 22 spots out of being a four-star. He got a little local interest before his junior season, when he put up modest, but not great numbers. He seems to have started getting more traction when he put up some big testing numbers (workout warrior) committing to Rutgers and then getting offers from VT and UW. The best case for a fourth star was the insanely productive last season while adding some weight, but he also didn't seem to get anymore interest. Maybe that's an indictment, but it to a degree explains the 30ish spot difference.

The Alaimo thing was interesting because for as much as we like to rail against the recruiting industrial complex, ELA was interested and Purdue fans are happy despite getting a kid who wasn't all that effective a football player. In 12 games, he had 120.8 yards a game, completing 54 percent of his passes. The talent around him seems good and the schedule most robust, but he doesn't seem to produce all that much.

Anyway, sorry for the book. 

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Re: 2020 deathly serious recruiting discourse thread
« Reply #320 on: July 11, 2019, 08:45:48 PM »
Well, at least maybe it wasn't a waste of a scholarship


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Re: 2020 deathly serious recruiting discourse thread
« Reply #321 on: July 15, 2019, 03:00:10 PM »
And then he went out and set a Day 1 scoring record at the Elite 11 finals.  So, my guess is his recruitment is a little more than MSU vs. WSU now
Was the Elite 11 Finals MVP, so yeah...ain't happening

 

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