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Re: 2020-2021 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #966 on: February 04, 2021, 11:29:14 AM »
Yeah, I'm not a huge fan of your definition of "LOCK".  If you are mentioning a team possibly losing to Nebraska knocking them out as a reason not to have them be a lock, then I think it's way too tight.  Nebraska is the only team I felt comfortable putting in that definition though, so it may make sense this year.

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Re: 2020-2021 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #967 on: February 04, 2021, 11:43:58 AM »
Yeah, I'm not a huge fan of your definition of "LOCK".  If you are mentioning a team possibly losing to Nebraska knocking them out as a reason not to have them be a lock, then I think it's way too tight.  Nebraska is the only team I felt comfortable putting in that definition though, so it may make sense this year.
I get it.  The chance of Michigan missing the tournament at this point are probably less than 1000:1 BUT I've always hated it when some site calls a team a "lock" then does an update and that team is no longer a lock.  I stick with my very literal definition such that even if a team does have a horrible game and loses to Nebraska I don't have to pull a team out of "lock" because I already took that (however remote) possibility into consideration before I declared them to be a "lock" in the first place.  

This year is a good example.  The games remaining on Michigan's schedule right now are:
  • vs IL, #12 AP, #7 BPI
  • @ UW, #19 AP, #13 BPI
  • vs RU, #40 BPI
  • @ tOSU, #7 AP, #12 BPI
  • @ IU, #29 BPI
  • vs IA, #8 AP, #3 BPI
  • @ MSU, #58 BPI

It isn't inconceivable that Michigan could lose all of those games.  If they come back as rusty as MSU did they'll lose at least the first couple.  The worst team on that list is #58 MSU but that is a road rivalry game and I think all of us would agree that the Spartans at least COULD become a much better team than they appear to be right now.  None of those would be a particularly bad nor a particularly shocking loss.  


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Re: 2020-2021 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #968 on: February 04, 2021, 11:49:53 AM »
I get it.  The chance of Michigan missing the tournament at this point are probably less than 1000:1 BUT I've always hated it when some site calls a team a "lock" then does an update and that team is no longer a lock.  I stick with my very literal definition such that even if a team does have a horrible game and loses to Nebraska I don't have to pull a team out of "lock" because I already took that (however remote) possibility into consideration before I declared them to be a "lock" in the first place. 

This year is a good example.  The games remaining on Michigan's schedule right now are:
  • vs IL, #12 AP, #7 BPI
  • @ UW, #19 AP, #13 BPI
  • vs RU, #40 BPI
  • @ tOSU, #7 AP, #12 BPI
  • @ IU, #29 BPI
  • vs IA, #8 AP, #3 BPI
  • @ MSU, #58 BPI

It isn't inconceivable that Michigan could lose all of those games.  If they come back as rusty as MSU did they'll lose at least the first couple.  The worst team on that list is #58 MSU but that is a road rivalry game and I think all of us would agree that the Spartans at least COULD become a much better team than they appear to be right now.  None of those would be a particularly bad nor a particularly shocking loss. 
Wow. That's a pretty brutal remaining schedule, to be honest. 

Only <.500 teams are IU and MSU, and those are both on the road. Both are teams with talent, so could have a big night at any moment. 

I completely agree that it's inconceivable that Michigan could go 0-7 in those games. I could see 3-4 / 4-3 against that slate easily though. 

They'd still be in the NCAA field, but they could get hammered in their seed line with the way this regular season could potentially finish out for them. 

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Re: 2020-2021 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #969 on: February 04, 2021, 01:06:32 PM »
Wow. That's a pretty brutal remaining schedule, to be honest.

Only <.500 teams are IU and MSU, and those are both on the road. Both are teams with talent, so could have a big night at any moment.

I completely agree that it's inconceivable that Michigan could go 0-7 in those games. I could see 3-4 / 4-3 against that slate easily though.

They'd still be in the NCAA field, but they could get hammered in their seed line with the way this regular season could potentially finish out for them.
Per Torvik, it's the 7th hardest remaining schedule in the league because the Big Ten is brutal. Two hardest are OSU and UW.

OSU schedule by KenPom the rest of the way
@ No. 4
@ No. 42
No. 27
@ No. 37
No. 3
@ No. 62
No. 4
No. 5

UW
@ No. 5
@ No. 122
No. 3
No. 4
@ No. 75
No. 5
@ No. 23
@ No. 4

I'm not excited.

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Re: 2020-2021 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #970 on: February 04, 2021, 02:01:44 PM »
Per Torvik, it's the 7th hardest remaining schedule in the league because the Big Ten is brutal. Two hardest are OSU and UW.
It would not be surprising at all to see one or both of those two stumble a bit in the standings.  Per the way I am tracking things they are:
Wisconsin:
  • 1-2 against the .500+ teams:  Six left (vsM, 2xIL, 2xIA, @PU)
  • 7-2 against the <.500 teams:  Two left (@NU, @UNL)
  • 5-4 against the top-11 (all but MSU, NU, UNL):  Six left (vsM, 2xIL, 2xIA, @PU)
  • 3-0 against the bottom 3:  One left (@UNL)

Ohio State
  • 4-2 against the .500+ teams:  Four left (vsM, vsIL, 2xIA)
  • 4-2 against the <.500 teams:  Four left (vsIU, @UMD, @PSU, @MSU)
  • 5-3 against the top-11:  Seven left (vsM, vsIL, 2xIA, vs IU, @UMD, @PSU)
  • 3-1 against the bottom 3:  One left (@MSU)


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Re: 2020-2021 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #971 on: February 04, 2021, 07:28:09 PM »
Always love ESPN broadcasts of B1G basketball so I can hear about Duke and North Carolina

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Re: 2020-2021 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #972 on: February 04, 2021, 07:45:50 PM »
First team to 100 wins? 
1919, 20, 21, 28, 29, 31, 34, 35, 36, 37, 42, 44
WWH: 1952, 54, 55, 57, 58, 60, 61, 62, 63, 65, 67, 68, 70, 72, 74, 75
1979, 81, 82, 84, 87, 94, 98
2001, 02, 04, 05, 06, 07, 08, 09, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19

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Re: 2020-2021 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #973 on: February 04, 2021, 07:47:35 PM »
Fun first half, despite Bucks getting boned by the refs in the first half. Definitely a game where you can't go cold.

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Re: 2020-2021 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #974 on: February 04, 2021, 09:01:08 PM »
Big time win for the Buckeyes on the road against Iowa.  Ahrens looked ice cold early then hit three threes that really helped the cause.  They decided to collapse on Garza, which I suppose was fine, as Garza had 16 points, but it left a lot of open looks for the Hawkeyes.  Still, not complaining.  This team is so much better than I thought they were.

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Re: 2020-2021 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #975 on: February 04, 2021, 09:04:10 PM »
1919, 20, 21, 28, 29, 31, 34, 35, 36, 37, 42, 44
WWH: 1952, 54, 55, 57, 58, 60, 61, 62, 63, 65, 67, 68, 70, 72, 74, 75
1979, 81, 82, 84, 87, 94, 98
2001, 02, 04, 05, 06, 07, 08, 09, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19

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Re: 2020-2021 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #976 on: February 04, 2021, 09:11:40 PM »
Huge win for the Buckeyes, and I don't think it  does anything to minimize Iowa. Playing games Tuesday and Thursday is rough!

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Re: 2020-2021 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #977 on: February 04, 2021, 09:25:55 PM »
Fun game.  Nice to win 7 of 8, though that Purdue loss was probably the most painful loss of the Holtmann era for me.  

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Re: 2020-2021 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #978 on: February 06, 2021, 12:43:54 PM »
With their loss at PSU last night, Maryland's path to the tournament is getting pretty narrow.

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Re: 2020-2021 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #979 on: February 06, 2021, 01:11:35 PM »
With their loss at PSU last night, Maryland's path to the tournament is getting pretty narrow.
Ah great, always like visiting teams who are in must win situations

 

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