2020-2021 B1G Basketball Thread

[bayareabadger]

Wisconsin is starting just OK, AKA to irk me

Update. Lead is big now. Would like them to maintain. 

[NickSmith4Three]

Horribly reffed game made this one almost unwatchable.   Illini squeaked one out in OT.

[NickSmith4Three]

Trent Frazer hit a 3 early in the game last night in front of the Indiana bench.  He got a technical right away after it.  It is being reported that he yelled "cash" after he hit the 3.  If that is true that that is all he said....  I don't know what to say.

[betarhoalphadelta]

Purdue had a 60-55 lead with 1:43 or so to play. At this point ESPN gave them a WP of over 80%. They didn't score again. 

Note that Purdue was in the double bonus at this point as well. 

Why I say they choked: 

• Immediately gave up a 3. Not a choke. Good shot by Maryland. 60-58.
• Crossed half court with the ball and called a TO. Didn't really even attempt to get the ball into the paint, settled for a long Jaden Ivey 3 which was missed. Bad move. 
• Quick foul by Eric Hunter. Bad move. Luckily Ayala only made one of the two FTs -- 60-59.
• Purdue with the ball, tries to burn the shot clock, doesn't even attempt to get the ball into the paint, and after taking 25 seconds or so settles for an off-balance fadeaway jumper by Ivey, which again missed. Bad move.
• Maryland crosses half-court and calls a TO with 0:16 left. Ayala drives and misses a layup as time is winding, down, and then surrounded by 3 Boilermakers he's able to secure his own rebound and is hacked by Ivey, sending him to the line. He makes both with 0:03 left. 60-61. 
• Purdue misses the buzzer beater full court heave.

Credit to Maryland for making the 3-pointer and enough free throws to get it done. But I think Purdue went away from actually trying to keep scoring, and pulled the typical "playing not to lose" strategy.

Trevion Williams had 23 and 11, and was 5 of 6 from the line while Purdue was in the double bonus. Get the ball in the paint and either get an easy look or force them to foul. Instead Purdue just burned clock and then missed difficult shots.

[Abba]

Sounds familiar to the OSU-Purdue game.  Young teams are gonna have games like this sometimes.

[FearlessF]

young teams need to be told by the coach, "under 2 minutes, NOBODY shots a jumper!"

Layups, dunks, or free throws

[MaximumSam]

settled for a long Jaden Ivey 3 which was missed. Bad move. 

Who would have thought

[Abba]

Who would have thought

Yeah, he made them before, but missed this time.  Live/die by the 3.

[betarhoalphadelta]

It's not "good decision if he makes them, bad decision if he misses" by comparing the ending of the OSU and MD games...

There was a big difference. Purdue was trailing in the OSU game, and leading in the MD game. 

If you've got the lead, dare them to stop you in the paint, especially when that's our most reliable position. 

[bayareabadger]

young teams need to be told by the coach, "under 2 minutes, NOBODY shots a jumper!"

Layups, dunks, or free throws

This would be a tough way to live. Jumpers make up a vast percentage of shots. If you force kids into something, it often isn’t gonna go well.

I mean, you gotta generate good shots and you gotta hit them. All you can do. 

[bayareabadger]

Yeah, he made them before, but missed this time.  Live/die by the 3.

I climb on my small high horse: living or dying by the 3 isn’t worlds different than living or dying by the driver or the post up. Not to mention FTs, which teams have the least control over. 

[bayareabadger]

Rivals reporting Michigan-Illinois basketball is off for the 11th, Michigan-Wisconsin a few days later looking dicy. 

Wonder if a game can be moved up. 

[medinabuckeye1]

@bwarbiany , I have a question for you.  This isn't a knock on PU, it is a data-driven question:

As an Ohio State fan I haven't seen much of PU and what I did see was in their two wins over tOSU so I'm surprised that they aren't higher in the standings.  They sure looked better than my team.  Here is the thing I noticed though:  Purdue's two wins over Ohio State are BU FAR their best two wins in the league.  The Boilermakers are:

• 0-1 against M
• 0-1 against IL
• 0-1 against Iowa
• 0-1 against Rutgers

Overall they are 2-4 against the B1G's .500 teams with the two wins over tOSU and the four losses listed above.  So, as I see it, there are three main possibilities:

• Match-up issues:  Purdue just matches up really well against tOSU and/or tOSU just matches up really poorly against PU.  Ie, Purdue really isn't THAT good and tOSU really isn't THAT bad it is just a match-up issue specific to those two teams.  
• Random chance:  Maybe Purdue just happened to have great games both times out against tOSU and/or maybe tOSU just happened to have awful games both times out against PU.  Ie, tOSU is actually the better team as evidenced by their better record in the B1G (overall, vs .500+, and vs top-11).  
• Purdue is actually a better team than Ohio State but has had a relatively difficult schedule (11 of 12 B1G games against the top-11 teams) and has been a tad unlucky in some of those losses.  

FWIW, I think it is probably mostly a mix of #1 and #2:  Ohio State had difficulty with PU's size inside (#1) and both games were close (#2).  In the game in West Lafayette the Boilermakers led the entire second half and at one point led by 14 but it was a six point game under 3 minutes and that is pretty much anybody's game.  The game in Columbus was even closer with Ohio State leading for most of the game and holding a lead with under a minute to play before losing by just two points.  

I'm curious your thoughts because if Purdue is as good as their wins over Ohio State indicate then they should finish well since there are no games remaining against teams with better records and only one game against a team that is close (vsUW).  OTOH, if you ignore the two wins over tOSU, the Boilermakers do NOT look like a good team.  Ignoring those they are 0-4 against .500+ and only 4-5 against the top-11.  

[FearlessF]

This would be a tough way to live. Jumpers make up a vast percentage of shots. If you force kids into something, it often isn’t gonna go well.

I mean, you gotta generate good shots and you gotta hit them. All you can do.

I'm talking about under 2 minutes with a lead
I'd practice it enough that it wouldn't seem forced.
hey, if a kid gets a great look at a 15 footer because the offense is busting the box, go ahead and take it.  But it better be uncontested and the kid better have his feet set.