2019 Ohio State Season Thread

[MrNubbz]

Why wouldn't they have just kept Grinch?

Most of the fans were thinking/hoping the same thing.He'll get his chance in Norman so we'll find out in a few years how it shakes out.I thought Grinch was a good pick up.Hope Mattison still has it

[MaximumSam]

Apparently the other half of the DC equation is Jeff Hafley, who was the DB coach for the 49ers

[ELA]

Seems like it's not confirmed yet.  To be honest, Michigan's linebacking play has been crap for a decade now (just how many defeciencies Bush covered up became apparant, and he and Jake Ryan are the only decent ones they've had since Carr's last group of Harris-Crable-Burgess), but apparently he's a very good recruiter


https://twitter.com/JamesTYoder/status/1080680644735365120

Well, seems like the offer is officially out there now

https://twitter.com/nickbaumgardner/status/1082387857220816896

[Brutus Buckeye]

Good optics nonetheless.

[MaximumSam]

I know nothing about Hafley.  I love the Mattison hire.  Obviously he's not going to be there for 20 years, but he will bring a lot of stability and soundness to OSU's defense.  An OSU defense that was sound this year might still be playing tonight.

Sounds like Al Washington for Michigan has an offer, too, and has to decide whether to stay or go.

[Honestbuckeye]

I say that because Fields committed to 3 different teams as a recruit, went to Georgia thinking he would just win the starting job despite Georgia having a really good young QB firmly entrenched in Jake Fromm, and as soon as he didn’t win it as a true frosh he decided to transfer.
He has zero shot in hell to get the waiver to play right away. His entire argument is a baseball player there called him the n word sometime in October and Fields was scared for his life. LOL. Well that baseball player was kicked off the team and out of school by Georgia basically immediately, and Fields stayed at Georgia all the way until a week ago. And his younger sister just enrolled at Georgia and is taking classes there.
You are comparing apples to oranges. Patterson showed that Ole Miss and specifically that dirtbag Hugh Freeze misled recruits about the sanctions and penalties. Patterson wasn’t the only kid to get an immediate playing time waiver. Every kid on that team who applied for it got it.
Fields has no argument for a waiver. None. Someone called me the N word and then that someone got kicked out of school, so hey NCAA, let me transfer halfway round the country and play right away please. NCAA will laugh him out of the building.

Thanks. Was wondering what was behind your thoughts. 
I have read quite a few sportswriter opinions on the fields eligibility waiver.  The prevailing thought is 
Virtually a lock to get it.  Thamel said it best as to why.  I don’t necessarily agree- but I do think
He gets it.  I do not think that he automatically 
Wins the job. People are underestimating 
Martell and especially Baldwin.  Go watch his tape
- incredible passer.  

[Mdot21]

Thanks. Was wondering what was behind your thoughts.
I have read quite a few sportswriter opinions on the fields eligibility waiver.  The prevailing thought is
Virtually a lock to get it.  Thamel said it best as to why.  I don’t necessarily agree- but I do think
He gets it.  I do not think that he automatically
Wins the job. People are underestimating
Martell and especially Baldwin.  Go watch his tape
- incredible passer.  

I’d be surprised if he gets it.
If it’s so dangerous for blacks, why are his parents allowing his sister to go there now? 
Georgia’s football team is probably 90% black. If it’s so bad there, why aren’t all the black players on Georgia’s team transferring in droves? 
Kid wants to transfer because he wants to start. Seems really dangerous to me to let this punk play the race card and just grant him the waiver based on total bs. Georgia kicked that baseball player out of school like literally within a few days of the incident going down.

[medinabuckeye1]

I know that Medina likes to use WWII as a starting point for anything that resembles the modern day game of college FB, and it is a good one to use across the board for a myriad of reasons, but for specifically Ohio State I think there is a strong case for 1934 being the primary pivotal point of Buckeye FB emerging as we know it today.

I think that this is a good point and I think, for Ohio State, that it is somewhere in the 1930's but not necessarily exactly 1934.  Per Stassen:

• Ohio State's last game against an old in-state opponent was against Western Reserve (later part of Case Western Reserve) in 1934.  
• The Michigan game moved to November in 1934 but it wasn't last (Iowa was) until 1935.  

If a modern Ohio State fan got in Doc Brown's Delorean and went to a game in say 1928 I think he'd be lost.  In 1928 the Michigan game was in October, the OOC games were Wittenberg, Muskingum, and Princeton, and the Buckeyes went 5-2-1.  However, if that same fan popped into a game in Ohio Stadium in 1942 he'd mostly feel right at home (with the exception of the wartime games against military installations).  In 1942 the Michigan game was in November and last except for the addition of Iowa Pre-Flight.  The OOC games were Fort Knox, the aforementioned Iowa Pre-Flight, USC, and Pitt, and the Buckeyes finished 9-1.  

[Brutus Buckeye]

The NCAA will definitely grant it. There is no way that they will be willing to die on that hill, and willingly endure the resulting negative press and potential Nation-wide player protests. 

[Mdot21]

The NCAA will definitely grant it. There is no way that they will be willing to die on that hill, and willingly endure the resulting negative press and potential Nation-wide player protests.

Doubtful. What will the protests be? I’m just not seeing it. 
The kid is using the race card just because he didn’t start as a true freshman and now he wants to transfer and play right away. It’s honestly despicable imo. He’s claiming Georgia is an unsafe place for black athletes and he faced discrimination daily and that’s why he’s leaving. It’s simply not true. And it’s wreckless and shortsighted on his part and just flat out wrong.

[Brutus Buckeye]

The protests would likely be on the level of the National Anthem protests that the NFL just endured. 

Look, I find it snow flaky too. Sticks and stones, and all that. And I agree that no one would even pretend to give a crap if the situation was reversed. But that's not the world we live in. The world we live in is a world where the NCAA will knuckle under quickly, without even pretending to put up a fight. 

[Brutus Buckeye]

The NCAA is not going to want to be the subject of a National discussion about the threshold of racial intolerance a player has to be subjected to before they have a legitimate gripe. 

Georgia isn't going to want any part of it either. That would get real ugly real quick. 

[Brutus Buckeye]

I think that this is a good point and I think, for Ohio State, that it is somewhere in the 1930's but not necessarily exactly 1934.  Per Stassen:

• Ohio State's last game against an old in-state opponent was against Western Reserve (later part of Case Western Reserve) in 1934.  
• The Michigan game moved to November in 1934 but it wasn't last (Iowa was) until 1935.  

If a modern Ohio State fan got in Doc Brown's Delorean and went to a game in say 1928 I think he'd be lost.  In 1928 the Michigan game was in October, the OOC games were Wittenberg, Muskingum, and Princeton, and the Buckeyes went 5-2-1.  However, if that same fan popped into a game in Ohio Stadium in 1942 he'd mostly feel right at home (with the exception of the wartime games against military installations).  In 1942 the Michigan game was in November and last except for the addition of Iowa Pre-Flight.  The OOC games were Fort Knox, the aforementioned Iowa Pre-Flight, USC, and Pitt, and the Buckeyes finished 9-1.  

I think this is actually a solid argument that 1934 was the pivotal point. A symbolic closing of the door on their OAC roots with one final beat down of a team that used to have OSU's number, before going all in on THE GAME. 
I think the "second to last" thing is a tad nit-picky as well. Illinois and Michigan were OSU's only fixed annual conference rivals. They final game was going to be one or the other. Obviously the switch was being made, but it took a season or two to get the schedule worked out exactly to their liking, which is understandable. It is not like Iowa was the rival for a year. The Gold Pants tradition starting up in 1934 pretty much shows their hand, imo. 
Now if I were to play Devil's advocate and advocate for pushing it up to WWII, I might point out that just because OSU had jersey numbers in 1934, that doesn't necessarily mean that everyone else did as well. So watching OSU go up against a numberless team might be a little bizarre. Also the plastic helmet wasn't invented until 1939, but by the end of the war both were probably common place across the board. Helmets actually weren't even mandatory until the end of WWII, which is of course another important factor to consider. 
On the flip side... WWII slices Paul Brown and Francis Schmidt out of the picture, whereas 1934 sorta shoehorns them in. 

[TyphonInc]

I have 2 thoughts so far.
1) I thought the whole point of bringing Day in as Head coach is to keep continuity, to show everyone that the ship Meyer was sailing was s till strong.

2) If OSU has owned TTUN for the last 2 decades why are we rushing to fill our staff with theirs???