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Topic: 2019 Ohio State Season Thread

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MrNubbz

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Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
« Reply #28 on: January 05, 2019, 08:45:52 PM »
The double coordinator  thing is usually to get people more titles so you can get them more money.  Sometimes it refers to the structure of roles, but often times not.
Good points but I recall something about too many chefs......
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Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
« Reply #29 on: January 05, 2019, 10:14:05 PM »
Good points but I recall something about too many chefs......
They know.  When FSU hired away Barnett, nobody acted like we lost one of our two coordinators, we knew until this year it was a title only for tressell.

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Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
« Reply #30 on: January 06, 2019, 08:38:35 AM »
They know.  When FSU hired away Barnett, nobody acted like we lost one of our two coordinators, we knew until this year it was a title only for tressell.
That may be but IMO Grinch came in expecting the gig.So who was answering to who?Had to be a solid reason for him to bolt after one season.Perhaps a chance to make a name for himself that he didn't appear to be getting in C-Bus.Be interesting moving forward to see what he can make of the  Sooners "D".
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Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
« Reply #31 on: January 06, 2019, 08:49:25 AM »
I thought that they had hired Grinch as a replacement for Schiano when they thought he was going to Tennessee? 

Grinch grew up in Columbus as a fan, but sorta had the whole co-coordinator thing thrust upon him. 
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Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
« Reply #32 on: January 06, 2019, 03:55:23 PM »
I was in St John looking at their collection of OSU FB team pictures (they have them all) and it reminded me of a quandary that we had in ELA's "Jersey Number" thread last year with regards to what year they began numbering the jerseys. Well I now know the answer, at least insofar as Ohio State is concerned. They first toyed with the concept of numbered jerseys in 1929, but it did not become a regular staple until 1934. 

I know that Medina likes to use WWII as a starting point for anything that resembles the modern day game of college FB, and it is a good one to use across the board for a myriad of reasons, but for specifically Ohio State I think there is a strong case for 1934 being the primary pivotal point of Buckeye FB emerging as we know it today. 

That was the year that they hired Francis Schmidt. That was the year that the Michigan game was moved to the end of the season, and the Gold Pants tradition was installed. OSU began to emerge as a Conference power. That was the year that OSU quit playing OAC teams out of Conference. 

The Horseshoe was all broken in by then, Script Ohio had recently become a thing, The forward pass had modernized the game play for the most part, and the NFL was beginning to establish itself as a serious professional league, with a collection of teams that is mostly recognizable to modern day fans, so the implementation of the jersey numbers as well as the emergence of THE GAME really tied it all together.

I think the experience of watching OSU football would be mostly pretty familiar to us back until exactly that point, before which it would begin to get really goofy really fast. 
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Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
« Reply #33 on: January 06, 2019, 07:05:02 PM »
Breaking down the jersey before 1934: 

In the pre-Eckstrom era, 1890-98, they initially wore the baseball uniforms but switched after a few seasons to horizontally striped scarlet and grey rugby sweaters. The "grey stripe" on the sleeve was born. They burned through a lot of coaches with Fred Ryder being the most prominent one, coaching from 1892-95, as well as 1898. They were a middling program that mustered only one Conference title before the OIAA disbanded. They only played Michigan once, in 1897, and it was a loss. They went only 3-6 against Kenyon, who was their primary rival at the time.

John Eckstrom coached the team from 1899-1901, which was the pinnacle of the pre-Big Ten era. They had an iconic look with Red sweaters that had a block O on the front and long, horizontally striped scarlet and grey sleeves. This is the inspiration for the modern jersey obviously, only with a block letter instead of block numbers. They won two state titles, including an undefeated 1899 campaign, kicked off the annual Michigan series with a tie in 1900, and went 3-0 vs Kenyon, which kicked off a winning streak in that series that is technically still alive to this day. 

OAC era: 1902-1912. They rolled through this era with the Eckstrom jerseys, albeit with the caveat that only one player had the block O on the front; presumably the QB or maybe the head captain. The era was somewhat disappointing after the Eckstrom administration. They went undefeated against Kenyon, but went winless against Michigan with the lone tie in 1910. They did manage to muster a pair of OAC titles in 1906 and 1912. 

Dr John Wilce era: 1913-1928. The Buckeyes joined the Big Ten in 1913, and Wilce guided the buckeyes from then until 1928. The Eckstrom jersey was replaced with the "Chic Harley" look that had leather helmets and a Scarlet sweater with vertical Grey stripes across the front. The grey striping was removed from the sleeves entirely. They stuck with that look the entire time that Wilce was the coach, with zero modifications whatsoever. A lot of innovations in that era obviously. Big Ten, Ohio Stadium, the first two all Americans, the Illibuck Trophy, Senior Tackle, and so forth. The Michigan series was suspended from 13-17, but Wilce collected wins over them in 19, 20, 21, and 28. Big Ten Titles in 16, 17 and 20.

The era between Wilce and Schmidt: 1929 to 1933. They reverted back to the old Eckstrom look for the jerseys, initially with numbered jerseys in 1929, but with the numbers removed for the duration of that era. Sam Williman was the coach, and he did not fare well. Script Ohio became a thing in 1932, so there's that. He did manage to muster a pair of Michigan wins in 29 and 31. The striping on the sleeve was dialed back from being a sleeve made entirely out of grey stripes to one that had just a small band of stripes above the elbow, more like the modern look. 

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Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
« Reply #34 on: January 06, 2019, 09:32:47 PM »
Some Mike Tressel to OSU Twitter rumors today.
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Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
« Reply #35 on: January 07, 2019, 01:07:56 PM »
OSU defensive staff could look really different.  I figured they had settled on Schiano, but Rivals reports Schiano is out and Bucks looking at Greg Mattison from Michigan.
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Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
« Reply #36 on: January 07, 2019, 01:20:53 PM »
Why wouldn't they have just kept Grinch?

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Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
« Reply #37 on: January 07, 2019, 01:27:18 PM »
Why wouldn't they have just kept Grinch?
No earthly idea other than maybe Day just hated most everyone on the defensive staff and is cleaning house.

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Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
« Reply #38 on: January 07, 2019, 01:28:03 PM »
Sounds like Mattison is official.

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Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
« Reply #39 on: January 07, 2019, 02:29:05 PM »
Kinda shocked. He’s like 70. His grand children and his kids live in Michigan. That’s part of the reason he left the NFL to go join Brady Hoke back in 2011.

Apparently his contract was up. Harbaugh could’ve offered him a raise and a Co-DC title I think if he really wanted him to stay. I believe he should have.

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Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
« Reply #41 on: January 07, 2019, 03:10:34 PM »
Curious on both takes?  Why does he have a screw loose?
Also- seems like almost a sure thing for eligibility. If Patterson got it, the standards are super low.  Wasn’t his brother on the coaching staff that supposedly kept him from knowing the degree of sanctions that could be coming?
I say that because Fields committed to 3 different teams as a recruit, went to Georgia thinking he would just win the starting job despite Georgia having a really good young QB firmly entrenched in Jake Fromm, and as soon as he didn’t win it as a true frosh he decided to transfer. 
He has zero shot in hell to get the waiver to play right away. His entire argument is a baseball player there called him the n word sometime in October and Fields was scared for his life. LOL. Well that baseball player was kicked off the team and out of school by Georgia basically immediately, and Fields stayed at Georgia all the way until a week ago. And his younger sister just enrolled at Georgia and is taking classes there. 
You are comparing apples to oranges. Patterson showed that Ole Miss and specifically that dirtbag Hugh Freeze misled recruits about the sanctions and penalties. Patterson wasn’t the only kid to get an immediate playing time waiver. Every kid on that team who applied for it got it. 
Fields has no argument for a waiver. None. Someone called me the N word and then that someone got kicked out of school, so hey NCAA, let me transfer halfway round the country and play right away please. NCAA will laugh him out of the building.

 

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