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Topic: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness

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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #770 on: April 12, 2019, 08:29:56 AM »
I'm telling my wife that she drives a station wagon. That will be interesting.




22 years today. Maybe I'll wait 'til tomorrow with the 'wagon thing.
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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #771 on: April 12, 2019, 08:33:55 AM »
Styling sells cars, along with gadgets.  Few buyers are interested in anything mechanical beyond illusions that some makes are more reliable than others.


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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #772 on: April 12, 2019, 08:45:14 AM »
https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a20730890/2020-chevrolet-mid-engine-corvette-c8/

That engine bay will also eventually host even more compelling mills. The first to follow the LT1 will be a naturally aspirated 5.5-liter DOHC V-8 with a flat-plane crankshaft capable of a Ferrari 458–like maximum engine speed of 9000 rpm. Sympathy for the transaxle, though, means the engine speed will be limited to several hundred rpm below that. That engine should be good for at least 600 horsepower.
Then, because it is totally unnecessary, Chevy will bolt two turbochargers and two big air-to-water intercoolers to the 5.5-liter V-8. The turbo engine will make about 800 owner-maiming horsepower. 
But hang on: What if we told you that within a couple of years Chevy would add a 200-hp electric motor to the mix? The twin-turbo 5.5-liter V-8 will abuse the rear tires while the electric motor, housed in what would typically be a front trunk, will energize the fronts. That’s right: This mid-engined/front-motor Corvette will have a horsepower rating at or near the four-digit mark.

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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #773 on: April 12, 2019, 01:18:40 PM »
Right now my i s c & a aggie wife is looking for a new car.  She's torn between another convertible, an SUV, or maybe even a Jeep.

She really loves her convertible but would prefer a retractable hard top over a ragtop, which has us looking at the BMW 4-series convertibles.

She also likes the Toyota 4Runner as a potential SUV-- I'd be cool with that, since it has an optional 3rd row, is available in 4WD, has decent towing (it could pull my boat but not my RV),  and I think it's even built on a truck chassis though I haven't investigated that one.

The Jeep is the least practical overall, but man they're fun.  My brother has a really cool one and I've been jealous ever since he bought it!

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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #774 on: April 12, 2019, 01:54:26 PM »
Well, if it's not on a truck chassis then I don't consider it an SUV at all.  It's just a station wagon.
I just call them minivans
it's the most derogatory thing I can come up with
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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #775 on: April 12, 2019, 02:20:12 PM »
My wife was never a vanimal (her term). When we needed it, she drove a Tahoe.
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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #776 on: April 12, 2019, 03:45:54 PM »
Yeah, SUVs used to ALL be on truck chassis, so far as I can recollect.  People with trucks put caps on the back and the automakers saw a market, not THIS market.

Then minivans became unfashionable, so they took FWD car chassis and put SUV-looking bodies on them and viola, a HUGE market.  Then "mini-utes" appeared, also station wagons raised a bit and given AWD sometimes.  I had minivans for 20 years and they are very capable for their purpose.  They don't tow, but they have a lot of volume inside and get OK mpgs.  They don't "look" cool apparently.  I didn't care.  My first was a Dodge Caravan with a very anemic 4 cylinder engine and 5 speed manual transmission.  I had to plan ahead to merge onto freeways.  I think we still had a 55 mph speed limit at that time.
The interesting part about this is if you go back a bit further to the invention of the minivan. 
Vans, like the original SUVs, were built on truck chassis. They were big, bulky, rode high, with truck engines and RWD. The "mini" van just took a basic van body and put it on a FWD car chassis. It made the ride smoother, the COG lower, the handling better, etc. For all the people who didn't want station wagons, the "minivan" became the new thing. 
SUVs were around, of course, but not all that popular yet. When people decided minivans were uncool, everyone started jumping into SUVs. They had all the same problems as full-size vans though. High COG. Rides like a truck. Terrible gas mileage. So the "crossover" was invented--an SUV-like body on a FWD car chassis. In all honesty it got rid of most of the "utility" of the SUV, but it kept the "cool" styling.
And now I've got a Ford Flex. Which is basically a big station wagon, but my wife always chides me when I call it a station wagon, because station wagons are uncool. 
So we've come full circle. 

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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #777 on: April 12, 2019, 03:47:26 PM »
I'm gonna stick with the sedans.
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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #778 on: April 12, 2019, 04:07:20 PM »
We just got rid of our 13-year Odyssey. That was a great car for its purpose: carting kids and gear. We still have the kids, but our needs have changed a bit.

Personally, I didn't every go in for the SUV over the minivan. But cars are big capital expenditures, so you might as well like what you drive. All that said, the prevalence of SUVs rather than minivans is not good for the overall fuel economy of the U.S. fleet. That's something I object to, but I'm swimming upstream.

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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #779 on: April 12, 2019, 04:07:33 PM »
I had sedans after the minivan era.  They felt like they handled on rails, both were CTS'.  The wife thought it was just too big for city traffic, and we both like manual transmissions.  So, we had the last one, which was a beautiful car we thought, for only four years.

Oddly enough, my main complaint about the CTS was that it had a fairly harsh ride.

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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #780 on: April 12, 2019, 04:33:40 PM »
Personally, I didn't every go in for the SUV over the minivan. But cars are big capital expenditures, so you might as well like what you drive. All that said, the prevalence of SUVs rather than minivans is not good for the overall fuel economy of the U.S. fleet. That's something I object to, but I'm swimming upstream.
Well, fleet economy standards and high fuel costs are two of the reasons that CUVs [crossover utility vehicles] have replaced SUVs to a large extent. 
Most of the "SUVs" you see today are CUVs. An SUV is a body-on-frame truck. A CUV is a unibody car. 
Like my wife's RX350. It looks like an SUV. People think of it as an SUV. It's got a tall roofline and a big cargo area.
It's built on the Toyota Camry platform. It's a car with a big body. 

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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #781 on: April 12, 2019, 04:34:26 PM »
The C8 ZR1 version which will come later is rumored to have 1000 horsepower.  If anywhere near that, it will be a supercar with the appropriate tires.
kinda crazy to me how GM/Chrysler are producing cars for $70k-100k with 1000 hp that put up track times that rival the times put up by the Euro super cars that cost $300k+.
I wonder if Cadillac and Lincoln will ever be able to regain their status as premier luxury brands in the US. They produced too much garbage throughout the 80s, 90s, and early 2000s while Mercedes, BMW, Lexus, and Audi just completely overtook their market shares. And now Telsa is eating into it as well with 9% US market share in luxury vehicles- which is much higher than Lincoln or Cadillac- and really the only thing stopping Tesla from having even more of that market share is their production capabilities- they can't produce enough to meet demand. And also the infrastructure for EV charging stations really isn't where it needs to be yet. When or if Tesla can actually produce enough to meet demand in a timely manner and if/when EV charging stations become just as common as gas stations- Tesla could probably have double that Luxury market share.
The only Cadillac I think is any nice is the Escalade. Their  That's a beautiful truck. Lincoln hit it out of the park with the new Navigator and the new Continental. Much like Cadillac, their other offerings leave a lot to be desired.

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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #782 on: April 12, 2019, 04:46:09 PM »
I had a 2005 Cadillac CTS and bought another in 2014, so I guess I liked them.  The Escalade with just a Chevrolet with fancier trim.


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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #783 on: April 12, 2019, 05:42:36 PM »
And now Telsa is eating into it as well with 9% US market share in luxury vehicles- which is much higher than Lincoln or Cadillac- and really the only thing stopping Tesla from having even more of that market share is their production capabilities- they can't produce enough to meet demand. And also the infrastructure for EV charging stations really isn't where it needs to be yet. When or if Tesla can actually produce enough to meet demand in a timely manner and if/when EV charging stations become just as common as gas stations- Tesla could probably have double that Luxury market share.
Not sure Tesla is in good shape right now... I think their problem is not producing enough to meet demand, as I think demand is in trouble because most people who want [and can afford] a Tesla already have one, and their ability to produce the $35K model at a profit is highly questionable.
They're flailing like a fish on the pier right now, and I'm not sure they're going to find water again.

 

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