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Topic: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness

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utee94

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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #490 on: March 08, 2019, 09:32:35 AM »
Overall I think the Camaros look very cool, but that low top is a problem.  But that car isn't really made for a family man, it's made for teens and 20-somethings that just want to look cool.  I can dig it, I was a teen once upon a time, too.

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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #491 on: March 08, 2019, 09:55:00 AM »
The BMW 230i or 240i are nice cars, but have a rag top.  They also get pricey, into Corvette territory almost.

I liked the 240i a lot.  But the GTI is far more practical and cheaper.

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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #492 on: March 08, 2019, 11:04:08 AM »
https://www.motortrend.com/cars/chevrolet/camaro/2019/2019-chevrolet-camaro-ss-first-test-review/?sm_id=organic_fb_MT_trueanthem&utm_campaign&utm_content=5c81daec3ed3f00001b27ec5&utm_medium&utm_source&fbclid=IwAR3WU_TuAK5HN58BwijUN9cTBISvpgpvv9uabCi9Dd6xr71hP1NwV6fUbP4

The first Camaro had a 2 speed automatic transmission (Called "Powerglide").  The latest has a 10 speed (the manual is 6 speeds).  If ten speeds the max for a passenger car?  And this is mated to an engine with a ton of torque available at just about any RPM.  Is that overkill?  I bought a car in 2005 that had a 5 speed auto and I though that was overkill at the time.

If you've ever sat in a modern Camaro, you know it ls like sitting in a bunker.  We rent a convertible at times on trips but I look for the Mustang, even though the 4 cylinder turbo in that car is unimpressive to me.  It also has a 10 speed in it.  The Mustang has better visibility with the top up and more room in the trunk and backseat.
I have to think that at some number of gears they either reach a point of diminishing returns on transmissions, or they perfect the CVT enough to make "number of gears" a completely obsolete concept. I'm not sure they have a CVT that can reliably handle that much horsepower yet though. I've only seen them so far in more economy-oriented cars.

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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #493 on: March 08, 2019, 11:06:33 AM »
Right now my i s c & a aggie wife is looking to move on from her Toyota Solara convertible, to a BMW 4-series with the retractable hard top.  She still loves a convertible, but the road noise from the ragtop is starting to annoy her and the retractable hard tops are somewhat quieter.

I'm trying to convince her to go with a convertible Mustang but I'm not sure I'm having much success.  She actually likes it a lot, but after having test-driven both a few times, she's definitely liking the interior styling and trim better on the BMW.  Shocking I know.
Here ya go.


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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #494 on: March 08, 2019, 11:31:47 AM »
CVTs can handle up to 300 hp at this point, apparently.  They drive oddly, and most are programmed to simulate shift points, which sort of negates the advantage.

I would have guessed 8 speeds would be plenty for these torquey engines.

The 10 speed is no faster and I don't think there is a MPG advantage.  This was codeveloped by Ford and GM.

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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #495 on: March 08, 2019, 11:36:06 AM »
[This probably belongs in a thread that already exists on amateurism, but I was only willing to dig so far to find it before giving up and coming here:]

There's one "pay the players" strategy I've supported for years: Don't pay them directly. Just let them chase their own market value from third parties. Whatever they get is commensurate with their value and deserved. And that plan is finally reaching US Congress.

https://www.si.com/college-basketball/2019/03/07/ncaa-student-athletes-profit-name-use-bill-introduced-mark-walker

Because if we live in America and can fix an injustice with capitalism, why wouldn't we? And for those who argue there is no injustice, no worries, if the bill passes and you're right, no one will ever give these kids money, because if you're right, their market value is zero bits greater than room/board/tuition. Would be fun to run that experiment.
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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #496 on: March 08, 2019, 12:12:15 PM »
https://atlanta.curbed.com/2019/3/8/18256034/complete-streets-midtown-spring-west-peachtree

This is my "hood" with a photo depiction of construction in the area of late.  It's crazy.  The ATL like many growing cities has a tradition of over building just before the oops.

And while the population is exploding they are reducing lanes on the streets.

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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #497 on: March 08, 2019, 12:32:34 PM »
CVTs can handle up to 300 hp at this point, apparently.  They drive oddly, and most are programmed to simulate shift points, which sort of negates the advantage.

I would have guessed 8 speeds would be plenty for these torquey engines.

The 10 speed is no faster and I don't think there is a MPG advantage.  This was codeveloped by Ford and GM.
Hmm. Neither faster NOR MPG advantage? That I don't necessarily get... I thought one of the big advantages--even more than performance--was the ability to keep the engine in more efficient RPMs to help improve MPG. Not sure why they cared to use it, then...

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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #498 on: March 08, 2019, 12:42:50 PM »
[This probably belongs in a thread that already exists on amateurism, but I was only willing to dig so far to find it before giving up and coming here:]

There's one "pay the players" strategy I've supported for years: Don't pay them directly. Just let them chase their own market value from third parties. Whatever they get is commensurate with their value and deserved. And that plan is finally reaching US Congress.

https://www.si.com/college-basketball/2019/03/07/ncaa-student-athletes-profit-name-use-bill-introduced-mark-walker

Because if we live in America and can fix an injustice with capitalism, why wouldn't we? And for those who argue there is no injustice, no worries, if the bill passes and you're right, no one will ever give these kids money, because if you're right, their market value is zero bits greater than room/board/tuition. Would be fun to run that experiment.
As far as fairness to the players is concerned, I get this as a strategy. It seems odd to not allow them to get some level of likeness rights and retain amateurism. 
The bigger concern to me, however, has to do with the fairness and parity in the sport, which already suffers quite a bit. And the reason for that is that the name on the front of the uniform generates much higher likeness rights than the name on the back. 
Purdue's Rondale Moore could make a fair bit of money based on his likeness. He'd make a lot MORE at Purdue than he would if he was playing for, say, Ball State. And he'd make a lot LESS than if he was playing for, say, OSU.
Of course, this is an issue in professional sports as well. Players on good teams in good markets would tend to have more valuable likeness rights than players on crappy teams in small markets. You'll sell a lot more jerseys with your name on the back if they're Yankees jerseys than if they're Twins jerseys. 
But the difference in professional sports is that there is a MUCH more equitable way to select players. There's a draft. Players under contract can't decide if or when they'll be traded. There's a salary cap for free agency. Teams have constraints to work within, and those constraints are EXPLICITLY there to help get as close as we can to parity within leagues. So much that there's a big hoopla going on in the NBA right now about players trying to publicly "recruit" other players to their team, as if "recruit" is a dirty word.
In college athletics, recruiting is key. And the helmet teams already have enormous recruiting advantages over non-helmets. Add this into the fold, and those advantages get even bigger. While I'm not one to throw out "the rich get richer and the poor get poorer" in economic terms, because economics is rarely a fixed pie, in this case we're talking about absolutely a zero sum game. The quantity of talented players is finite, and if the helmets take all of them, the rest of the teams might as well not even show up.

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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #499 on: March 08, 2019, 12:48:05 PM »
The big Camaro engine is a 6.2 L pushrod V8.  It has plenty of torque.  It might well be as fast in the quarter mile with a 4 speed, or nearly so.  In track performance, more gears can be an advantage, slightly.  The transmission will stay in gear as you decelerate in track conditions rather than upshift.

Part of the standing start acceleration numbers is dependent on getting all that power to the ground without wheel spin.  Rear wheel drive cars are limited to about 3.0 seconds in 0-60 time for that reason.  

The mpg figures have not yet been released, but the new engine comes with cylinder deactivation as an additional change.

Correction>  2019 model is 16/27 mpg est.  2018 model was 17/27 mpg est

So the 10 speed actually reduced city mpg by one notch.
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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #500 on: March 08, 2019, 12:52:37 PM »
@bwarbiany - I think that's overblown (the disparity argument).

When was the last time Kansas or Wake Forest secured a Top 100 commit? Once or twice ever? If so, that disparity is already sealed and should remain unaffected. When was the last time the MAC secured a kid who had a legitimate Big Ten offer? Again, that disparity is sealed and should remain unaffected.

I won't argue that this couldn't reshuffle things. We should expect rich programs that are currently not cheating (or cheating less) to move up at the relative expense of all current maximal cheaters. What of poorer programs/smaller fan bases? Well if they are currently cheating, albeit modestly because that's all they have, they are likely to get pushed down, and we should say "good," whereas if they are not currently cheating, they should remain relatively unaffected. 

In any event, these reshufflings are far from guaranteed to increase NCAAF disparities. That ship sailed long ago.
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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #501 on: March 08, 2019, 01:02:42 PM »
Another argument fans make is "Well player justice is fine and all but if we know for sure that a guy like Shaquille O'Neil is making an ungodly sum at LSU, then I just won't be interested anymore. To which the response has to be kind of obvious: THAT EXACT THING IS LITERALLY ALREADY THE CASE

Delany famously included himself as that kind of fan/administrator, which we can summarize as: "If players get paid then the Big Ten is moving to D-III out of spite.

And if fans read all of this and still want to be that way**, that's fine. It's juvenile, of course. It's also juvenile in the "That's what a child I don't like would do" kind of way.

**(the "I don't like this so give me my ball and I'm going home" way)

But acting that way is their prerogative.

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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #502 on: March 08, 2019, 01:18:55 PM »
@bwarbiany - I think that's overblown (the disparity argument).

When was the last time Kansas or Wake Forest secured a Top 100 commit? Once or twice ever? If so, that disparity is already sealed and should remain unaffected. When was the last time the MAC secured a kid who had a legitimate Big Ten offer? Again, that disparity is sealed and should remain unaffected.

I won't argue that this couldn't reshuffle things. We should expect rich programs that are currently not cheating (or cheating less) to move up at the relative expense of all current maximal cheaters. What of poorer programs/smaller fan bases? Well if they are currently cheating, albeit modestly because that's all they have, they are likely to get pushed down, and we should say "good," whereas if they are not currently cheating, they should remain relatively unaffected.

In any event, these reshufflings are far from guaranteed to increase NCAAF disparities. That ship sailed long ago.
I get that... Some of this is already baked in. It's the windmill I find myself tilting at when Purdue fans on the H&R blog are talking about how Brohm, with a few more recruiting classes, could turn us into a CFP sort of team. We're cheering like hell for the 25th-ranked class in the country, a class probably better than we've EVER gotten in our history. That's not even close.
But there have been things that have helped improve parity over the years. Scholarship limits. Now, max number of recruits per year (25) is added, which helps teams that maybe aren't sending a lot of 3-year players into the NFL early and redshirting a lot. And I honestly think that we'll get to a point where the P5 breaks off, which basically takes a haves/have-nots split that already exists and makes it explicit, and could potentially improve parity within the haves [P5]. Maybe it's selfish, but I'm fine with that because Purdue's one of the haves ;-) 
I just sound a note of caution every time I see things which push the parity the wrong direction. 

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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #503 on: March 08, 2019, 01:25:09 PM »
Here ya go.



That's a beautiful car indeed.  Perhaps not quite within the budget though, at least for now. :)



 

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