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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #42 on: March 11, 2019, 08:12:37 PM »
no one likes watching Da Bears win the division, not even the Lions
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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #43 on: March 12, 2019, 04:33:41 PM »
What I don't understand is where Oakland is getting the money to pay him at all? The rumors I'd heard was that the team didn't have a lot of money to throw around, and that's one of the reason they tried to get rid of both Khalil Mack and Amari Cooper. Not a salary cap issue; an "ability to make payroll" issue...

Get rid of them and rebuild the team with draft picks on [cheap] rookie contracts.

But then picking up AB and giving him a big contract seems to be counter to that.
Not sure I buy that "they don't have the money" argument. Mark Davis could get a loan from anyone and anywhere to raise capital if need be. That team is worth at least $3 billion. At least. If the freaking Clippers of the NBA went for $2 billion on the open market, no doubt about it the Las Vegas Raiders would go for much more. NFL teams are infinitely more valuable than NBA teams, no matter the market. Raiders are probably worth even more now that they are moving to Las Vegas and getting a brand new $1.8 billion stadium.
They made out like bandits trading Cooper- don't think that was anything to do with money. That was to do with his poor declining performance and fleecing the Cowgirls and Jerry Jones for a 1st round pick. I'd have never traded Mack in a million years- but when you pay one defensive player that much money it really starts to hamper the roster. You only pay a franchise QB that kind of money. They made the right choice in the long run, I think.

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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #44 on: March 12, 2019, 04:40:24 PM »
Yeah that was the issue, it was the best deal among teams willing to give him that big extension.

Did Oakland overpay him?  Sure.  But that always gets a bad label, and it's not necessarily a bad thing.  They have guys on rookie contracts, and 4 of the first like 34 picks in the draft, so they can afford to overpay for guys.  They might sign Bell too, and overpay him.  But they'll have them.  Then in 3 years, when they have to start paying their guys, they'll cut Bell and Brown.  No harm done.
I don't think they over-paid Antonio Brown at all. His cap # averages out to $16 million a year I think. Actually think it was a great move for them. He's as elite as it gets at his position. Even with his new contract they'd only be #3 in the NFL at spending on WR's in 2019 as it stands right now.

Yes- he's a diva. But Mike Tomlin isn't a real coach and Ben Roehtlisberger is the biggest douchebag piece of shit in maybe the history of sports. I'd bet that Brown will get along much better with Gruden and Carr. Gruden demands respect, he's not trying to be your homeboy like Tomlin is. And Carr is actually a good guy, he's not a sniveling cumstain of a human being like Big Ben is.

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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #45 on: March 12, 2019, 04:58:49 PM »
I guess this has become also the NFL Offseason thread, why not.

Lions are oddly all in in free agency today.  Danny Amendola, meh.  But they signed the top rated TE, DE and nickel on the market.  Not exactly sure why, but whatever.  I guess might as well do what you can while you've got Stafford, and see if it all falls into place.
I didn't really like any of the signings except Amendola. Amendola is a hell of a slot WR. Solid, reliable, clutch. Will move the chains. That's if Stafford's ass can find him and hit him in stride on time.
They overpaid like crazy for an above average nickel corner and an above average DE. Neither of these guys are elite players or game changers. They are solid, B players. And they paid them like they were Grade A players. $9 million a year for a nickel corner? Really? You could easily draft one or trade for one and pay a hell of a lot less. Make a trade with the Cowboys for Jourdan Lewis or something. He's making less than $1 million a year the next 2 years. That'd have been a better move.
Trey Flowers is the 4th highest paid DE in the leauge now and the 5th highest paid defensive player, and he's got the 2nd most guaranteed money for a DE behind only Khalil Mack. That makes total sense. NOT. Flowers has 21 sacks. IN THE LAST 3 YEARS COMBINED. Garbage move for a garbage franchise.
Jesse James is a solid TE, but again, he's not changing shit. He's not pre-injury Gronk or current Travis Kelce or even Jason Witten. He's just an above average TE. He's really not changing life at all.
I thought all these moves sucked.

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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #46 on: March 12, 2019, 04:59:54 PM »
Not sure I buy that "they don't have the money" argument. Mark Davis could get a loan from anyone and anywhere to raise capital if need be. That team is worth at least $3 billion. At least. If the freaking Clippers of the NBA went for $2 billion on the open market, no doubt about it the Las Vegas Raiders would go for much more. NFL teams are infinitely more valuable than NBA teams, no matter the market. Raiders are probably worth even more now that they are moving to Las Vegas and getting a brand new $1.8 billion stadium.
They made out like bandits trading Cooper- don't think that was anything to do with money. That was to do with his poor declining performance and fleecing the Cowgirls and Jerry Jones for a 1st round pick. I'd have never traded Mack in a million years- but when you pay one defensive player that much money it really starts to hamper the roster. You only pay a franchise QB that kind of money. They made the right choice in the long run, I think.

I think the speculation I'd heard was that the move to Las Vegas was putting serious strain on the Davis finances.

I.e. the speculation wasn't that they got rid of Cooper and Mack for salary cap considerations, but that they were just trying to save a crapton of money.

I don't think they over-paid Antonio Brown at all. His cap # averages out to $16 million a year I think. Actually think it was a great move for them. He's as elite as it gets at his position. Even with his new contract they'd only be #3 in the NFL at spending on WR's in 2019 as it stands right now.

Yes- he's a diva. But Mike Tomlin isn't a real coach and Ben Roehtlisberger is the biggest douchebag piece of shit in maybe the history of sports. I'd bet that Brown will get along much better with Gruden and Carr. Gruden demands respect, he's not trying to be your homeboy like Tomlin is. And Carr is actually a good guy, he's not a sniveling cumstain of a human being like Big Ben is.
I don't think he's worth it at all. He was on a team built around a great OL, great RB, pretty solid QB play, and so he could feast. 
I'm not sure the Raiders have anything near the overall talent level around him that he had in Pittsburgh. 

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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #47 on: March 12, 2019, 05:33:00 PM »
Eh, he's a terrible human being, but he's a talented one.  Carr sucks.  Most of the top QBs are just such easily dislikable bad people, Ben, Rodgers, Brady, etc... but they win.  Carr might be nice, but that doesn't help you when he airmails another one 5 feet over your head.

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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #48 on: March 12, 2019, 06:01:51 PM »
What I don't understand is where Oakland is getting the money to pay him at all? 
Ya but who knows with an Al Davis descendant.Don't think Al had the coin to keep up with today's Robber Baron's but he prolly had tons of Apple Stock or simply avoided taxes - that's prolly it
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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #49 on: March 12, 2019, 06:30:04 PM »
They made out like bandits trading Cooper- don't think that was anything to do with money. That was to do with his poor declining performance and fleecing the Cowgirls and Jerry Jones for a 1st round pick.
Cooper has racked up 1,000 yds receiving 3 of his 4 seasons.That's not a fleecing...but I hope it turns into one.He was hurt for a while the season he didn't get there.Seeing as Jerry is prolly the biggest prima donna amongst owners I really hope it doesn't work out.
Yes- he's a diva. But Mike Tomlin isn't a real coach and Ben Roehtlisberger is the biggest douchebag piece of shit in maybe the history of sports.
Oh c'mon that's a stretch even for you.Ben's a buttcrack for sure but Brown would be bagging groceries if not for Football.They deserve each other.Brown won't get near the numbers in Oak/LV .He is what 9 yrs in or sumsuch probably his last contract - which isn't to shabby
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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #50 on: March 12, 2019, 08:16:28 PM »
Eh, he's a terrible human being, but he's a talented one.  Carr sucks.  Most of the top QBs are just such easily dislikable bad people, Ben, Rodgers, Brady, etc... but they win.  Carr might be nice, but that doesn't help you when he airmails another one 5 feet over your head.
Derek Carr has had his ups and downs, but he definitely does not suck. He had no help at all last year. Carr is still young, only 26, with big upside still ahead of him. Give him AB and sign LBell and he'll take off imo.
Gonna have to disagree big time on the second part. Rodgers is a little whiny bitch whose teammates don't like him, but even he is a FAR CRY from Big Ben. Big Ben is probably the biggest piece of shit in the history of the NFL.

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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #51 on: March 12, 2019, 08:17:52 PM »
Browns trade their 2019 1st round pick and Jabrill Peppers to the NYG for OBJ. WOW. Talk about a power play move. They already signed Kareem Hunt, they just got OBJ to pair him up with his BFF Jarvis. That Browns offense gonna be EXPLOSSSSSIVE. 

I'm going to LOL at the Giants if they pass on Dwayne Haskins.

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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #52 on: March 12, 2019, 10:32:28 PM »
Derek Carr has had his ups and downs, but he definitely does not suck. He had no help at all last year. Carr is still young, only 26, with big upside still ahead of him. Give him AB and sign LBell and he'll take off imo.
Gonna have to disagree big time on the second part. Rodgers is a little whiny bitch whose teammates don't like him, but even he is a FAR CRY from Big Ben. Big Ben is probably the biggest piece of shit in the history of the NFL.
Aaron Hernandez and Ray Lewis murdered dudes.

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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #53 on: March 12, 2019, 11:48:10 PM »
Aaron Hernandez and Ray Lewis murdered dudes.
Ray Lewis murdered no one. He covered for two of his buddies that committed murder. Aaron Hernandez was mentally ill and had severe CTE. Supposedly was one of the worst CTE cases ever seen. Both of those guys' teammates actually really liked them by the way. Do any of Roethlisberger's teammates even like him?
Ben Roethlisberger is the ultimate finger-pointer, blame defecting, never takes responsibility, it's always someone elses fault- throwing teammates under the bus douchebag in the history of the game. Plus he raped multiple women and got away with it. Even the former pornstar who had the fling with Trump said she was scared to death of Rapelisberger when Trump introduced her to him.

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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #54 on: March 13, 2019, 12:07:57 AM »
Oh he's a piece of shit, nobody is arguing against you there.

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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #55 on: March 13, 2019, 12:46:19 AM »
Le'Veon Bell to the NY Jets. 4 years, $52.5 million, $35 million guaranteed. Deal is worth up to $61 million with incentives.

 

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