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"Purdue ends 21-year steak of having at least one player drafted. Final indictment of Darrell Hazell and his recruiting IMHO. Can we fire him again?"

To a degree, I understand this matters, but also does this matter?

I mean, if it weren't for Ryan Russell, the streak would've broken a while ago. For Nebraska, it took Tanner Lee to extend it to this year. I get that it's an indicator of the talent, but if you took what each program did the past few years, plus threw in some coaching changes and the advance rates of attrition these days, I feel like continuing these streaks is pretty much a crapshoot.

I also know more of these have come to an end of late, including Tennessee and Texas. I wonder how much of that stems from the advances in digital scouting. Like finding an interesting wide receiver or developmental defensive end from Augsburg College must be worlds easier than even a few years ago. And that guy replaces, the "well, he's an OK guy from the Big 10" types.

I'll admit that for Purdue, the streak itself was more anomaly than it would be for some other schools. There were more than a few years in those 21 where we were saved by a single player in the late rounds getting drafted.

Still, it kinda points out just how far the program had fallen, recruiting-wise, under Hazell. Consistently last or 2nd-to-last in the conference. Just not good.

Hmm. The drag and drop isn't working for me. But that image combines impressively with the fact that 17/32 first rounders were former 4- and 5-stars. To enrich that group that much requires either (1) outrageous coincidence or (2) significant predictive power for recruiting rankings, depending on your world view.

Agreed. And it's always easy to find outliers... Sure, there might be some players who some GM was really high on that gets drafted 2 rounds earlier than predicted via mock. And there might be players that in player interviews come off as a head case and fall a few rounds lower than predicted via mock.

It's easy to identify the outliers in draft spot selection as compared to career results, such as JaMarcus Russell and Tom Brady. 

I'm not sure that overall, the recruiting rankings, or the draft as a whole, or the mock drafts, are entirely devoid of predictive power though.

He was 7th in ACC QB ratings.Not sure anyone had him pegged in the 2nd.It's not mob mentality could have traded and got Rosen who most agree has a higher ceiling.And it's that GM blowing a lot of smoke and none of it really believable

He was 7th in ACC QB ratings.Not sure anyone had him pegged in the 2nd.It's not mob mentality could have traded and got Rosen who most agree has a higher ceiling.And it's that GM blowing a lot of smoke and none of it really believable

Okay, but at this point, all the GM is guilty of is not going along with the consensus.  How dare he!


He won't be vindicated nor his stupidity confirmed for years, so this knee-jerk criticism is silly.

Okay, but at this point, all the GM is guilty of is not going along with the consensus.  How dare he!


He won't be vindicated nor his stupidity confirmed for years, so this knee-jerk criticism is silly.

This isn't about being going along with the consensus - they're happy as hell he probably blew the pick.FWIW many believe the cardinals screwed the pooch also by picking a smallish QB no 1 over all and sending rosen packing.Time will tell it's just that's a draft position you can't swing and miss on.I know the Browns do it with distressing frequency.I was livid when they used 1st rd picks on both Weeden and Manziel.One turned 29 his rookie year and the other a pixie who even had he not misbehaved still would have gotten curb stomped

The prediction business is supposed to be about being right more often than other people.  But we don't even bother to go back and determine who was right and who was wrong.  We just say Player Z was a bust or Player A was a steal.  The prediction business has become entertainment-for-me-now and had almost nothing to do with actual accuracy.

The only time anyone was held accountable was the Manning/Leaf year, in which everyone agrees the Colts chose wisely.  But did they?  What if they took Leaf?  What if Leaf had Marshall Faulk to hand off to and throw to out of the backfield?  What if he had Marvin Harrison instead of the crap SD trotted out there?  What if he had a defense that improved by 100 points allowed in his 2nd year? 

Even in these seemingly cut-and-dry cases, there's such much noise in the system that I don't think we can be certain about anything.

Last I heard, we were 18th or 30th or something in math, but 1st in the world in math confidence.  It's embarrassing.