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Yeah, I still don't like him more than Haskins, and certainly not #1 overall, particularly when you just took one last year.  Go take Bosa or Williams, and you'll have more pieces when you find a QB worth drafting high, as you'll probably be right back there again next year.

I wonder how much of this is just buzz because he's interesting. Like, he's fun to talk about and people REALLY like reading about him. 

Yeah, I don't get the love, but I don't get the hate either.  I think he's the 2nd best QB in the draft, but it's not a great QB draft.  If someone took him #12 or whatever, I wouldn't blink.  It's that he's going #1, to a team that just took a QB last year at like #7.  He doesn't look like a generational no brainer #1 like a Manning or a Luck or something.  And that's what I'd expect him to be for a team to considering him from the Cardinals perspective.

Before we turn him into a poop sandwich, keep in mind:
he had the best yards per attempt in history
he had the 2nd best rating in history
while rushing for 1,001 yards

And if you believe in Baker Mayfield, Murray did it on the same team in the same offense against the same competition (largely).  

I don't think anyone is saying he's a poop sandwich. Questioning his long term prospects in the NFL and whether or not he's a 1st round pick isn't calling him a poop sandwich.
Baker did it for 3 years straight. Murray did it for one. Think it's pretty obvious that the system/coach and the conference are conducive to generating stats. Really what they did in college means nothing when you're talking about projecting them out as pros in the big boy leauge where everyone plays defense and everyone is a grown ass man.

Baker measured 6'1" at the NFL combine. That's a far cry from 5'10" like Murray. Baker was also more stocky, he just looked more built and more like a man- Murray looks very sleight like he's still a high schooler. Baker's arm was also better- more live- he's got more velocity and more juice on his passes. His game and tools just looked like they'd translate to the next level better than Murray's. I was a huge fan of Mayfield's- was on record on here saying he's the only QB from last years draft that I'd touch with a 1st round pick.

To me this draft- Dwayne Haskins is that guy this year. He's the only guy I'd touch with a 1st round pick this draft. He's 6'3+, 230+ with a fricken rocket launcher.

The QBs available next year could be epic.  I'd wait one.  Get Drew Lock in the 3rd if you need a QB.  Maybe 2nd.



No Dawgs of note this year other than the DB.  Holyfield ran a slow time but he looks decently fast on the field.  But he probably would not start in college next year.

Not sure I agree. Haskins is better than any QB that'll be available in the 2020 draft imo.
Tua = slightly bigger, but less athletic version of Kyler Murray to me. Solid 2nd or 3rd rd pick, but not some generational sure-thing #1 like Luck was in 2012 or like the Clemson kid will be in a couple years. Really not sure he'd rate higher than Murray.
Herbert from Oregon is pretty MEH to me. I just don't see it. Fromm from Georgia is a game manager with low draft ceiling, so he's probably not even leaving early anyway.
I'd take Haskins over any and all of those and not have to think twice about it. Trevor Lawrence in 2021 is going to be the next real prize and the best prospect since Luck.

538 is useless garbage.

Well he certainly isn't the Gold Standard in player evaluation that he thinks he is

Not sure I agree. Haskins is better than any QB that'll be available in the 2020 draft imo.
I'd take Haskins over any and all of those and not have to think twice about it. Trevor Lawrence in 2021 is going to be the next real prize and the best prospect since Luck.

Rooting interests aside if Haskins feet can keep him out of trouble he just might pan out.Is Murray a plug in and play guy for a decade? - I'm not seeing it.IMO if Kingsbury taps Murray with the very 1st pick he will rightfully earn a place along side of Mike Martz or Marty Mornhinweg amongst the sideline coaching litter.

I dunno Haskins put up impressive numbers for just 1 season.If he can continue on that trajectory he could be more than serviceable.I've said before that some posters on this board could make up a formidable scouting department for an NFL franchise.The guys that are quoted in reality prolly don't have the hours most of us have watching CFB.Unless they're employed by the Sunday League,even then many are just taking up space.Man the off season's long

It's the NFL he will be killed and eaten.I wouldn't touch him with the 1st over all pick