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Topic: 2019 Michigan State Season Thread

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ELA

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Re: 2019 Michigan State Offseason Thread
« Reply #14 on: January 10, 2019, 04:45:44 PM »
He's keeping all the same guys, and giving them all different positions, lol.

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Re: 2019 Michigan State Offseason Thread
« Reply #15 on: January 10, 2019, 06:10:08 PM »
He's keeping all the same guys, and giving them all different positions, lol.
Is it impolite to suggest that there exist no more apt time to use the "shuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic" phrase?

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Re: 2019 Michigan State Offseason Thread
« Reply #16 on: January 10, 2019, 06:39:09 PM »
He's keeping all the same guys, and giving them all different positions, lol.
Wow.
Feel bad for MSU fans. It’s almost like Dantonio is trying to put himself on the hot seat.

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Re: 2019 Michigan State Offseason Thread
« Reply #17 on: January 10, 2019, 07:06:34 PM »
Honestly, Salem has a very different philosophy, and per Dantonio has turned down a P5 OC offer each of the past 4 years to stay QB coach.  So I don't hate that shuffle, player development has been fine.  It's personnel usage and play calling...AND OFFENSIVE LINE PLAY.  So putting Bollman back there is inferiorating.  If they made all the other changes but Bollman retired and was replaced by an outside OL coach hire, I could live with it.

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Re: 2019 Michigan State Offseason Thread
« Reply #18 on: January 10, 2019, 07:12:05 PM »
Is it impolite to suggest that there exist no more apt time to use the "shuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic" phrase?
Lipstick on a pig fits too

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Re: 2019 Michigan State Offseason Thread
« Reply #19 on: January 10, 2019, 07:29:32 PM »
At least Hartbarger got a 6th year, God knows well clearly need him.

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Re: 2019 Michigan State Offseason Thread
« Reply #20 on: January 11, 2019, 04:09:52 PM »
I originally posted this in the Bowl Games SoC but it quickly got lost in other things.  It really belongs here:
As great as Dantonio has been for MSU overall, the AD should tell him to clean out his office immediately or get rid of Bolman.

Bolman was completely incompetent at OC AND OL under Tressel at tOSU but it wasn't quite this bad because he had 5* talent at most positions. In East Lansing without that talent it is so bad that it is comical. 31 points in five games? 

https://amp.lansingstatejournal.com/amp/2454826002

https://amp.lansingstatejournal.com/amp/2452841002
Bolman's OL's at Ohio State were horribly coached but they had lots of 5* guys so they weren't THAT bad.  Now that he is at MSU where 5* recruits don't grow on trees we see an offense that is comically incompetent.  MSU's D was Championship caliber and I don't mean just B1G Championship, I mean that the Spartans had a NC Caliber D.  In spite of that they only managed to finish barely over .500 because their Offensive staff isn't good enough for a decent HS team.   

MSU scored 6 against Oregon in a 7-6 loss.  That was the fewest points scored on the Ducks all year.  Bowling Green (24), Portland State (14), SJSU (22), Stanford (31), Cal (24), Washington (27), WSU (34), Zona (44), UCLA (21), Utah (32), ASU (29), and OrSU (15) all scored more points against Oregon.  

MSU scored 6 against Nebraska in a 9-6 loss.  That was the fewest points scored on the Cornhuskers all year.  Colorado (33), Troy (24), Michigan (56), Purdue (42), Wisconsin (41), Northwestern (34), Minnesota (28), Bethuen-Cookman (9), Ohio State (36), Illinois (35), and Iowa (31) all scored more points against Nebraska.  

MSU scored 6 against Ohio State in a 26-6 loss.  Holding the Buckeyes to 26 was an accomplishment as only Purdue (20) did better but only scoring 6 was pathetic.  It ties Tulane as the second worst output against the Buckeyes, better only than Rutgers (3).  Ohio State's 11 other opponents all did better.  

MSU scored 13 against Arizona State in a 16-13 loss.  Only the University of Texas at San Antonio scored less (7) against ASU.  Fresno (31), SDSU (28), Washington (27), OrSU (24), Colorado (28), Stanford (20), USC (35), Utah (20), UCLA (28), Oregon (29), and Zona (40) all scored more points against the Sun Devils.  

The weak offensive outputs against Michigan and Northwestern are more excusable but still troubling.  

A number of posters have pointed out that even a middling offense would probably have gotten the Spartans to at least 10 wins.  I don't know that it would even take that.  A barely competent offense would easily have been enough for a team with MSU's D to win at least the ASU and Nebraska games.  That would have improved the Spartans' regular season record to 9-3.  

A middling offense would have been enough to win the ASU, UNL, and NU games and probably either the M (lost by 14) or tOSU (lost by 20) games as well.  That would have given the Spartans an 11-1/8-1.  Even without a CG appearance they'd have been a lock for a NY6 bowl.  All of this would only have required at most a middling offense.  

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Re: 2019 Michigan State Offseason Thread
« Reply #21 on: January 11, 2019, 05:30:26 PM »
MSU was#2 S&P+ defense, and like #120 offense.

For comparison 2013 was #2 and I think #65.  So MSUs best team in a generation had an equivalent defense, and just a mediocre offense.  With a defense that good, you need JUST enough on offense.  Now in fairness the 2013 offense was as bad as 2012 until they went full to Cook in the fourth game, so the MSU in just October on was probably higher than that, but still.

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Re: 2019 Michigan State Offseason Thread
« Reply #22 on: January 11, 2019, 05:32:29 PM »
Reserve DE Mufi Hunt taking a grad transfer.  Not sure he ever played other than mop up duty, he may have had a couple knee injuries.  He's from Utah, so that's a long way from home to not play, so I don't blame him a bit.

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Re: 2019 Michigan State Offseason Thread
« Reply #23 on: January 21, 2019, 01:34:37 PM »

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Re: 2019 Michigan State Offseason Thread
« Reply #24 on: January 24, 2019, 10:03:59 PM »
Just dropping in to say the coaching shuffle is crazy dumb. I’m so annoyed we still employ Warner and Bollman. 

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Re: 2019 Michigan State Offseason Thread
« Reply #25 on: March 13, 2019, 02:25:00 PM »
Spring roster released yesterday with the always relief to find no meaningful surprises.

DE Justice Alexander is not listed, which hurts me, because he was the guy I had pegged as being the overachiever in his class a couple years back, but he hadn't gotten any meaningful playing time in three years on campus, so it only hurts in the sense that it cements me being wrong about him.

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Re: 2019 Michigan State Offseason Thread
« Reply #26 on: April 13, 2019, 10:24:59 AM »

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Re: 2019 Michigan State Offseason Thread
« Reply #27 on: April 13, 2019, 10:28:14 AM »
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