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Topic: 2020 Michigan State Offseason Thread

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Re: 2020 Michigan State Offseason Thread
« Reply #126 on: September 19, 2019, 08:05:06 PM »
When the time comes, it'll be interesting to see the rumored candidates list. We all expect to see Tressel, Fickell and Narduzzi. And we probably expect there to be other token names ranked below them. We know nothing about that next layer, so that will be interesting. As for whether the big three stay the big three or drop down, I'm not exactly sure what it can confirm to us about the new AD, but it might hint towards his risk taking, his maverick quotient, and how much Dantonio can pull his strings. Then again, that has to be qualified with "might" because these three are obvious picks for a reason.

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Re: 2020 Michigan State Offseason Thread
« Reply #127 on: September 19, 2019, 08:07:31 PM »
I've been saying I want Fickell.  The EMU coach is really interesting.  Those mid major coaches tend to get big jobs after one excellent year, and frequently they bust because it was a confluence of factors coming together for one great year.  EMU was in the running for worst FBS program, and he looks primed to have them in their third bowl in four years.  I'm more impressed with the ability to build a steady program in a wasteland, than having one great year and cashing in like a Hazell or Gill.

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Re: 2020 Michigan State Offseason Thread
« Reply #128 on: September 25, 2019, 07:34:04 PM »
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Last Saturday I skipped out watching Michigan State’s rebound win to instead watch the showdown in Madison (yucky!) and Florida Vs Tennessee. So in making a point to watch a play by play of NW Vs MSU, I offer the following, mostly about the offense:

- This kind of conference road win Vs a typically determined 7 or 8 win, familiar opponent is exactly the kind of encouraging rebound performance needed after the stubbornly coached and offensively frustrating showing Vs Arizona State the week before.

- For one, you can definitely tell the coaches regrouped and applied major adjustments to game plan. For one, the run blocking was MUCH better than against ASU’s front seven. Run plays that only went for 1 yard Vs ASU instead extended for 4 – 6 yards because the OL were much better at getting downfield to keep running lanes open. This is what carried the offense and kept their defense resting on the sideline.

- The bad news is how limited Lewerke will be for the rest of his Spartan career. Even his medium range passes require receivers to adjust mid-route and finish catches with dives or slowing their stride. Lewerke's arm doesn’t create for a deep threat which is doubly negative because none of his skill players have the game breaking ability to balance out Lewerke’s ceiling.

- The good news is Lewerke doesn’t make fatal mistakes. You can tell the coaches have grilled it into his mind to NOT take downfield chances and instead look for Backs in the shallow, throw it away, or take the sack. Lewerke is stability making up for lack of any fireworks. His best play was the TD pass to close out the second half 14-3; Lewerke worked through progressions on his right before finding one-on-one coverage deep-left. Otherwise Lewerke relied on his Backs when his first option closed.

- As for the defense, the gang-tackling mentality was evident from the get-go. As a veteran group they play well together and have the mental toughness and execution to keep a likely underdog MSU in games Vs Wisconsin, Ohio State, Penn State, and Michigan. I think the defense is good enough to win MSU 2 of those 4 contests.

- All in all the whole set up reminds me of the defensively lead Chicago Bears where the coaches strategize maxing out team strengths while intensively working around innate limitations, namely at QB, where ball protection is especially emphasized in light of almost no playmaking ability, either by the arm of the QB or the skill of the receivers. 

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Re: 2020 Michigan State Offseason Thread
« Reply #129 on: September 25, 2019, 07:42:36 PM »
Reserve LB Brandon Randle is transferring.  He was useful in spots last year as a 3rd down pass rush specialist, but was sort of a tweener in MSUs system.  The hope I thin kwas that he could grow into a Marcus Rush type, but it wasn't happening.  I think he's only played in 2 of 4 games this year, with 5 tackles.

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Re: 2020 Michigan State Offseason Thread
« Reply #130 on: September 25, 2019, 09:10:47 PM »
Reserve LB Brandon Randle is transferring.  He was useful in spots last year as a 3rd down pass rush specialist, but was sort of a tweener in MSUs system.  The hope I thin kwas that he could grow into a Marcus Rush type, but it wasn't happening.  I think he's only played in 2 of 4 games this year, with 5 tackles.
Graduating in 3.5 years, so it would be a grad transfer.

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Re: 2020 Michigan State Offseason Thread
« Reply #131 on: September 30, 2019, 02:18:59 PM »
Connor Heyward who has fallen from starter to #4 on the depth chart, sat out last week to evaluate his transfer options, while still being able to redshirt this year.

I wish him the best, but he needs to go.  He is a round peg in a square hole.  Should have never been converted to RB, it was out of need, and he has absolutely zero vision and normal RB ability.  But for some reason the coaches can't help themselves other than to send him in in short yardage situations, and he gets stuffed time and time again.  He might be the best pass catcher of the backs, but as a runner, he's got nothing.

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Re: 2020 Michigan State Offseason Thread
« Reply #132 on: September 30, 2019, 04:32:15 PM »
Connor Heyward who has fallen from starter to #4 on the depth chart, sat out last week to evaluate his transfer options, while still being able to redshirt this year.

I wish him the best, but he needs to go.  He is a round peg in a square hole.  Should have never been converted to RB, it was out of need, and he has absolutely zero vision and normal RB ability.  But for some reason the coaches can't help themselves other than to send him in in short yardage situations, and he gets stuffed time and time again.  He might be the best pass catcher of the backs, but as a runner, he's got nothing.
Officially in the transfer portal

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Re: 2020 Michigan State Offseason Thread
« Reply #133 on: September 30, 2019, 07:17:31 PM »
ELA thought I saw you post MSU has 4 injured O-Lineman or sumsuch.Yet I've read Lewerke has only been sacked 4X.You pulling a Lou Holtz here,didn't have you figured as a sandbagger  :sign0103:
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Re: 2020 Michigan State Offseason Thread
« Reply #134 on: September 30, 2019, 07:22:17 PM »
They have held up surprisingly well in pass-blocking, but they've really. and Tulsa and to some extent Arizona State, didn't bring much pressure and dared lewerke to fit it into Windows dropping 8, and he is not a very accurate passer

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Re: 2020 Michigan State Offseason Thread
« Reply #135 on: October 01, 2019, 12:35:59 AM »
They have held up surprisingly well in pass-blocking, but they've really. and Tulsa and to some extent Arizona State, didn't bring much pressure and dared lewerke to fit it into Windows dropping 8, and he is not a very accurate passer
Based on Football Outsidera, they are in the 70s or 80s in their run blocking metrics, but top 25 in all of their pass blocking ones.

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Re: 2020 Michigan State Offseason Thread
« Reply #136 on: October 08, 2019, 03:05:04 PM »
Officially in the transfer portal
Joined by La'Darius Jefferson.  So the RBs who were terrible last year as the 1a and 1b did not appreciate being passed by a pair of freshmen.

Leaves MSU very, very, thin at RB

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Re: 2020 Michigan State Offseason Thread
« Reply #137 on: October 16, 2019, 12:52:09 PM »
One of the college football podcasts I listened to took a question of whether LSU needed to promote Joe Brady to OC to prevent a school like MSU coming in and hiring him away. To which the response was, yes, but they wouldn't worry about MSU being the school to make a good hire like that.

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Re: 2020 Michigan State Offseason Thread
« Reply #138 on: October 16, 2019, 01:04:30 PM »
Yeesh.

Just stay the hell out of Madison.
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Re: 2020 Michigan State Offseason Thread
« Reply #139 on: October 18, 2019, 12:56:58 PM »
With the transfer of WR Cam Chambers because the whole law school/D1 football thing wasn't working, can anyone name a bigger disaster of a class than the MSU 2016 class ever?

It was ranked #17 overall, #3 in the Big Ten, and supposedly the culmination of the 3 year run of top 5 finishes from 2013-15.  The 2016 class is *probably* the most important class to the 2019 roster, comprising the true seniors and redshirt juniors.

Instead (by recruiting rank order), you have the following, with the bolded being the only ones still on the team

**** DE Josh King (#94) - kicked off team
**** DE Auston Robinson (#103) - kicked off team
**** WR Donnie Corley (#108) - kicked off team
**** WR Justin Layne (#179) - left early for NFL Draft
**** DT Naquan Jones (#224)
**** WR Trishton Jackson (#229) - transferred
**** WR Cam Chambers (#242) - transferred
**** S Demetric Vance (#243) - kicked off team
**** QB Messiah deWeaver (#245) - transferred
*** S Kenney Lyke (#350) - transferred
*** OLB Brandon Randle (#361) - transferred
*** OT Thyio Lukusa (#369) - transferred
*** DT Mike Panasiuk (#377)
*** TE Noah Davis (#599)
*** CB Austin Andrews (#715) - kicked off team
*** OT Luke Campbell (#743)
*** ILB Joe Bachie
*** OT A.J. Arcuri
*** OC Matt Allen
*** K Matt Coghlin

So out of the class that was supposed to end the problem of just having too much less talent than schools like Bama to ever compete for a national title, 10 of the top 11 rated commits didn't make it, and only 1 was because he left early for the draft.  Instead it wound up being the class that hampered MSU by giving us a dearth of 4th year players this year, and forcing us to pull too many redshirts in 2017.  If you re-rank the class with all of the removals/transferred removed (keeping the guy who left early for the draft), MSU falls from #17 overall/#3 Big Ten to #80 overall/#12 Big Ten.

 

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