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FearlessF

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Re: Week 2 Preview
« Reply #98 on: September 06, 2019, 02:41:45 PM »
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Re: Week 2 Preview
« Reply #99 on: September 06, 2019, 04:22:14 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on September 04, 2019, 03:01:41 PM
that would help, but I'm trying to get back to 8,9, or 10 team "groups" that play each other round robin each season

7, 8, or 9 conference games will work

more or less don't

with my example, you'd have 6 locked conference opponents, with 3 rotating. it's not perfect, but it's best way for a 16 team league, imo.

Quote from: utee94 on September 04, 2019, 03:15:59 PM
This discussion pretty much proves my point.

No matter how you attempt to manage it, scheduling for a conference with 16 teams is going to leave a large group of fans unhappy.  It's a bad number.  It's just too big.  So is 14.  12 isn't quite as bad but 8,9,10 is ideal.
i don't disagree, it's just unlikely to happen anytime soon. so might as well deal with reality (or likely events) rather than wishful thinking.
i like 12, tbh, although the sec was dumb in how they implemented it. need 9 conf games for it to work well, imo.
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Re: Week 2 Preview
« Reply #100 on: September 06, 2019, 04:44:55 PM »
Quote from: rolltidefan on September 06, 2019, 04:22:14 PM
with my example, you'd have 6 locked conference opponents, with 3 rotating. it's not perfect, but it's best way for a 16 team league, imo.

ya just gotta think of it as (2) 8-team conferences

the only time there absolutely has to be a cross-over game is the CCG at the end of the season
8 locked conference members - 7 conference games

if ya want a few rotating games with the teams in the other division, that's great, but not required
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Re: Week 2 Preview
« Reply #101 on: September 06, 2019, 07:14:07 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on September 06, 2019, 02:40:13 PM
Everything is gonna be different in 20-30 years. Some of us might not even be around to notice.
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Re: Week 2 Preview
« Reply #102 on: September 06, 2019, 09:20:15 PM »
On my guide it says ESPNU is showing "OSU vs Cincinnati From Nipert (Bearcats) Stadium" so I clicked on it expecting to see some ancient leather helmet action, but instead it was the 2002 game from Paul Brown (Bengals) stadium. 
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Re: Week 2 Preview
« Reply #103 on: September 06, 2019, 09:50:03 PM »
Quote from: Anonymous Coward on September 03, 2019, 06:26:59 PM
Based more on ELA's preseasons rankings than anything else: I didn't expect Maryland to be favored versus Syracuse.

Maryland's average recruiting classes over the last 4 years is 32.
Syracuse's average recruiting classes over the last 4 years is 56.
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Re: Week 2 Preview
« Reply #104 on: September 06, 2019, 10:10:47 PM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on September 06, 2019, 09:20:15 PM
On my guide it says ESPNU is showing "OSU vs Cincinnati From Nipert (Bearcats) Stadium" so I clicked on it expecting to see some ancient leather helmet action, but instead it was the 2002 game from Paul Brown (Bengals) stadium.



The game winning drive for OSU began after a Gino Guidulgi fumble where he was looking all the way to his left in the pocket, and Darian Scott came unblocked up the other side and just decleated him. Crown of the helmet right to the earhole. Gino goes one way, ball goes the other. Dude never even saw it coming. 

Today it would have been like a fifty yard penalty, and a 5 game ejection. Back then they were all like "OHHH, he gets a free shot on the quarterback!" 

I miss tackle football. 
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Re: Week 2 Preview
« Reply #105 on: September 06, 2019, 10:19:02 PM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on September 04, 2019, 10:52:41 AM
I'm in this camp. 


What I don't like about it:
  • The northernmost team (MN) is in the West pod. 
  • The easternmost team (RU) is in the South pod. 
  • The southernmost team (UNC) is in the East pod. 
  • The aforementioned three issues would make this very easy to make fun of.  

Virginia Tech is a Football Upgrade over Virginia. I would much rather have them. (And hold they hold their own in other "Business Metrics" fans have hypothesized matter.) Tech fans are also less loyal to the ACC, my small sample size of fans they really only wanted to get a rivalry with The Cavaliers (and didn't want the ACC to go away.)


B1G should Apologize for skipping out on Mizzou in the last round, and see if they will come back to the light side. Replace North Carolina with them and your geographic pods make much more sense. Also North Carolina is the "heart" of the ACC, and again small sample size, but no one I know from NC wants anything to do with the B1G or it's media dollars. 


East - PSU, Rutgers, Maryland, VIRGINIA TECH
West - Nebraska, Wisconsin, Iowa, Minnesota
North - TTUN, MSU, Nebraska, Purdue
South - OSU, MISSOURI, Indiana, Illinois
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Re: Week 2 Preview
« Reply #106 on: September 06, 2019, 10:39:29 PM »
I love Blacksburg -- beautiful and a true original. Otherwise, VaTech is a "fair" football program and great school. UVa, meanwhile, is a less than fair football program and upper echelon research university. At first blush, maybe that makes it seem like a toss-up, but it really isn't. Maybe if VaTech were an elite level football program, this would be a harder decision. As is, UVa wins going away. Not for fans, but for the actual voters (the presidents).

No matter the football money a(n independent) athletic department brings in -- let's say  we're talking about the Alabama, Texas, aTm, Michigan, OSU levels of football money -- the research money that the average Big Ten school reels in is a significantly larger thing. It might even be 10-to-1. And that makes it a good bet that even the most athletically-minded Big Ten president cares more about his school's mega-research complex and the uppage in grant funding they might expect when picking the right school facilitates the right collaborations. It would take adding a helmet school to maybe override that.
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Re: Week 2 Preview
« Reply #107 on: September 06, 2019, 11:41:13 PM »
Quote from: Anonymous Coward on September 06, 2019, 10:39:29 PM
I love Blacksburg -- beautiful and a true original. Otherwise, VaTech is a "fair" football program and great school. UVa, meanwhile, is a less than fair football program and upper echelon research university. At first blush, maybe that makes it seem like a toss-up, but it really isn't. Maybe if VaTech were an elite level football program, this would be a harder decision. As is, UVa wins going away. Not for fans, but for the actual voters (the presidents).

No matter the football money a(n independent) athletic department brings in -- let's say  we're talking about the Alabama, Texas, aTm, Michigan, OSU levels of football money -- the research money that the average Big Ten school reels in is a significantly larger thing. It might even be 10-to-1. And that makes it a good bet that even the most athletically-minded Big Ten president cares more about his school's mega-research complex and the uppage in grant funding they might expect when picking the right school facilitates the right collaborations. It would take adding a helmet school to maybe override that.
I disagree.

https://mup.umass.edu/sites/default/files/annual_report_2017.pdf

This shows Virginia as 25th in Research and VT as 32, and that VT is actually bringing in more research dollars than UV.
UV is a top undergraduate university (more of a fit with the ACC) VT has improved their research status exponentially over the last 5 years (Some say to gain AAU status, and make their bid to the B1G application more appealing.)
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Re: Week 2 Preview
« Reply #108 on: September 09, 2019, 09:55:38 AM »
Quote from: Anonymous Coward on September 03, 2019, 06:26:59 PM
Based more on ELA's preseasons rankings than anything else: I didn't expect Maryland to be favored versus Syracuse.

I think ELA had both Maryland and Rutgers as 0-12.;)
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