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Topic: 2018 Season Stream of Completely Off-Topic Unconsciousness

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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #742 on: July 10, 2018, 09:37:10 AM »
Fail like what?

Arkansas finished 29-34 from 2013-17 under Bielema
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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #743 on: July 10, 2018, 10:07:01 AM »
Arkansas finished 29-34 from 2013-17 under Bielema
Exactly.
This sport is a very sub-zero-sum game. The "failure" rate of head coaches is what? 70 percent overall, maybe 80 in the power 5?
Was Bert's tenure there a failure? Sure. Was it one he could've helped all that much? Possibly, but maybe not that much. He was in a division where his program's natural state was being at best the No. 5 team, with the No. 6 team pretty close behind. He took over a tire fire. He goes .500ish after the rebuild year, granted his teams had so many close-game struggles. For three years he kept his head above water, sank for one season, and in that job, that's that. 
Is that failure? Oh yes. Does that mean he failed like THAT? I'd argue no, unless I'm misreading the tone. (Plus, the payout he's getting now is really about his UW tenure as much as anything)
(Also worth wondering, do we think Chad Morris wins 10 games more than once with Arkansas? Do we think he gets to nine wins, once every 3-4 years? That's only a few steps better than Burt. And it seems very, very far off)

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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #744 on: July 10, 2018, 12:32:59 PM »
Yeah, you can fail badly as CEO of a large corporation or as head coach of a P5 football team, and you know what they call you?

A multi-millionaire.

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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #745 on: July 10, 2018, 12:55:42 PM »
Ain't that the truth!

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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #746 on: July 10, 2018, 04:28:54 PM »
Fail like what?

If most of us conducted our professional obligations & duties with the equivalent results we'd be out on our keisters with out the financial windfall.So ya I'd like to fail that way
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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #747 on: July 10, 2018, 06:04:02 PM »
If most of us conducted our professional obligations & duties with the equivalent results we'd be out on our keisters with out the financial windfall.So ya I'd like to fail that way
See here's the thing, what does that mean?
What is the equivalent of a strong 8-5 for an engineer? What's the difference between a lawyer's 7-6 year and 4-8 year? Is there a profession any of us work in that involves the sheer number of firings because of failing to meet expectations that will never wholly be in line with what can be done? 
Let's look at another angle. Chad Morris is a 14–22 head coach. He had one winning season. He seems to have failed at Bert level. He was given $3.5 million a year for six year with incentives that match a good annual salary and if they can him, $2.45 million a year through the run of the deal.

I too want a boatload of money (here we agree). I would not at all like to be a college coach (on this we might agree). I would like my firing to elicit such a windfall, though I suppose I would've had to work really, really hard  and be very, very good to be in position where my failure earned that.

What I'm saying its, our kinds of results cannot be made equivalent to those of a college coach. They just can't. None of use is in a profession where the standard of failure was that wide ranging or the dynamics that cut throat. 

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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #748 on: July 10, 2018, 07:39:02 PM »
I can say with certainty that some trial lawyers who have a spotless record for a client get fired the first time they lose one and that some corporate lawyers who have a spotless record with a client get fired the first time a deal doesn't go the way a client wished for.

I would bet that's true in any consulting-type business--frankly, it's true for any vendor.

And few people make what these guys make. Very few.

And still I wouldn't trade with any of them. There's just a heck of a lot more to life than money. And for all their money, Bret and Gary both had spouses who didn't want to be in Madison, and other issues that on a day-to-day basis all that money wouldn't fix.

I'd take the money if it was offered, but wouldn't take the life. Which isn't to say that some (many?) of them probably love what they do. There's a lot of diversity in the human gene pool.

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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #749 on: July 10, 2018, 10:25:00 PM »
Back in Cincy for closing on our house, ate at Blue Ash Chili, seem to be paying for it now.

Saw some friends.  Close tomorrow at 1300, took 13 days to sell house.

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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #750 on: July 11, 2018, 05:51:27 AM »
The Toledo upset over the Hawgs was pretty sweet.



King Barry fared a lot better against the Buckets than Bert did.
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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #751 on: July 11, 2018, 05:57:24 AM »
Back in Cincy for closing on our house, ate at Blue Ash Chili, seem to be paying for it now.

Saw some friends.  Close tomorrow at 1300, took 13 days to sell house.
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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #752 on: July 11, 2018, 09:39:23 AM »
Nope.

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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #753 on: July 11, 2018, 01:15:16 PM »
What I'm saying its, our kinds of results cannot be made equivalent to those of a college coach. They just can't. None of use is in a profession where the standard of failure was that wide ranging or the dynamics that cut throat.
You'll have to trust me I had a better year performance wise
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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #754 on: July 11, 2018, 01:40:57 PM »
I watched a YouTube vid of a guy doing the Blue Ash chilli challenge. The waitress was watching him like a hawk. She must have thought that he'd be stuffing jalapenos in his socks.
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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #755 on: July 11, 2018, 02:03:07 PM »
You'll have to trust me I had a better year performance wise
I’ll say I went 10-3, not sure if that’s with a bowl win.

 

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