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Topic: 2018 Season Stream of Completely Off-Topic Unconsciousness

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Re: 2018 Season Stream of Completely Off-Topic Unconsciousness
« Reply #1414 on: November 09, 2018, 12:48:46 PM »
I don't like the idear of players selling their glory, but it's their's and they can do what they wish

$400K is significant
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Re: 2018 Season Stream of Completely Off-Topic Unconsciousness
« Reply #1415 on: November 09, 2018, 12:49:53 PM »
 Since at least 1999, the Heisman Trust has made winners sign a waiver that they would not sell the trophy. The Heisman also maintains that it owns the right to publicly display any trophy.
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Re: 2018 Season Stream of Completely Off-Topic Unconsciousness
« Reply #1416 on: November 09, 2018, 12:53:08 PM »
Anyone catch NC State going down to ... Wake last night? I wouldn't care if it weren't obvious that Beamer's trying to prop up the ACC to the committee. Joel Klatt is going to keep having a field day with that one.

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Re: 2018 Season Stream of Completely Off-Topic Unconsciousness
« Reply #1417 on: November 09, 2018, 01:01:08 PM »
I watched the Wolfpack game until about 2 minutes to go, thought they had it in the bag.  Was routing for the upset and turned it off before the end.  was happily surprised this morning.
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Re: 2018 Season Stream of Completely Off-Topic Unconsciousness
« Reply #1418 on: November 09, 2018, 01:04:29 PM »
Anyone catch NC State going down to ... Wake last night? I wouldn't care if it weren't obvious that Beamer's trying to prop up the ACC to the committee. Joel Klatt is going to keep having a field day with that one.
wake consistently gives NCST trouble... i just posted on this in the SEC board... this dynamic- whatever the magic is that makes it possible- is one of the reasons i love this game.  NCST's football program is superior in every aspect to Wake- yet WF gives them trouble consistently. 

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Re: 2018 Season Stream of Completely Off-Topic Unconsciousness
« Reply #1419 on: November 09, 2018, 02:04:52 PM »
you realize that things like this happen in college football because the superior program made a deal with the devil in the past to become or remain to be the superior program?
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Re: 2018 Season Stream of Completely Off-Topic Unconsciousness
« Reply #1420 on: November 09, 2018, 03:08:17 PM »
Anyone catch NC State going down to ... Wake last night? I wouldn't care if it weren't obvious that Beamer's trying to prop up the ACC to the committee. Joel Klatt is going to keep having a field day with that one.
Wake is a well-coached team, been above .500 the past two years. Been bad this year, but that’s hardly the black mark, it’s been historically. 

The idea NC State was where it was because someone on the committee is fluffing them seems a bit dubious. I thought they were overranked, but they were where they were for the most bland reason, they were 6-2. I suppose you could stump for Florida off that Mizzou loss, Miss State a team averaging 5.4 points against non-Auburn ranked teams, maybe 6-3 MSU. But it hardly seems some sign of anything other than losses remain king. 

This year is high on parity, which is why we have only 15 teams with 1 or fewer losses, 28 at 2 or fewer 

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Re: 2018 Season Stream of Completely Off-Topic Unconsciousness
« Reply #1421 on: November 09, 2018, 04:02:23 PM »
I see what appears to be an unusual number of 3 loss teams ranked.  If you ignore the G5 teams, there are a high percentage of them relatively, I think, for this point in the season.

It's easier to say "X is over ranked" than to be OK with raising whoever was behind them, often as not.

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Re: 2018 Season Stream of Completely Off-Topic Unconsciousness
« Reply #1422 on: November 09, 2018, 04:39:28 PM »
I see what appears to be an unusual number of 3 loss teams ranked.  If you ignore the G5 teams, there are a high percentage of them relatively, I think, for this point in the season.

It's easier to say "X is over ranked" than to be OK with raising whoever was behind them, often as not.
Last year this week, there were five such teams in the CFP rankings. 
There are nine this season. 

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Re: 2018 Season Stream of Completely Off-Topic Unconsciousness
« Reply #1423 on: November 09, 2018, 09:25:45 PM »
Wake is a well-coached team, been above .500 the past two years. Been bad this year, but that’s hardly the black mark, it’s been historically.

The idea NC State was where it was because someone on the committee is fluffing them seems a bit dubious. I thought they were overranked, but they were where they were for the most bland reason, they were 6-2. I suppose you could stump for Florida off that Mizzou loss, Miss State a team averaging 5.4 points against non-Auburn ranked teams, maybe 6-3 MSU. But it hardly seems some sign of anything other than losses remain king.

This year is high on parity, which is why we have only 15 teams with 1 or fewer losses, 28 at 2 or fewer
So here's a chart (below).
It isn't a flawless comparison. Some people really disrespect computer rankings. But I know, at least with S&P+, that you aren't one of them. (I do grimace towards its creator though. S&P+ would have been enough, FPI and Sagarin? Bleh.)
Anyway, this chart isn't a complete argument unto itself, but it is compelling.
Note: I may have over-spoke about shenanigans with Beamer. How could I know about his influence or intentions? But still: The ACC may well be not simply overrated but remarkably so.
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Re: 2018 Season Stream of Completely Off-Topic Unconsciousness
« Reply #1424 on: November 09, 2018, 10:13:01 PM »
Where's all the bias for the SEC???
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Re: 2018 Season Stream of Completely Off-Topic Unconsciousness
« Reply #1425 on: November 09, 2018, 10:51:42 PM »
Yeah, the SEC is pretty evenly distributed there (some too high, other too low or just right). I've been fine with their rankings. Even LSU in the Top 10 is fine by me if they go back to their pre-Bama ways.

Syracuse, NC State and BC are something else, though. Three teams in the Top 17, who may not even belong in the Top 40.

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Re: 2018 Season Stream of Completely Off-Topic Unconsciousness
« Reply #1426 on: November 10, 2018, 05:35:45 AM »
Yeah, the SEC is pretty evenly distributed there (some too high, other too low or just right). I've been fine with their rankings. Even LSU in the Top 10 is fine by me if they go back to their pre-Bama ways.

Syracuse, NC State and BC are something else, though. Three teams in the Top 17, who may not even belong in the Top 40.
Based on team strength, sure. But the beauty of those rankings is they say those teams are more likely to fall. And this week, two will. 

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Re: 2018 Season Stream of Completely Off-Topic Unconsciousness
« Reply #1427 on: November 10, 2018, 08:07:25 AM »
I'll note again how facile it is to say "Florida is over ranked" and how hard it can be to replace them with another team.

 

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