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Topic: 2018 Playoff Rankings

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Honestbuckeye

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Re: 2018 Playoff Rankings
« Reply #14 on: December 02, 2018, 01:44:44 PM »
Georgia was blown out 40-17 last year and still made it
Exactly.   Politics tends to write the narrative.  I heard one of those knuckleheads counting NW as a quality win for ND, but yesterday OSUs far more convincing win over NW was not impressive.  
How many power 5 teams did Georgia actually beat?  Clemson and OSU?  
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Re: 2018 Playoff Rankings
« Reply #15 on: December 02, 2018, 02:06:41 PM »
This dis-respect for Big Ten conference champions all started when the Big Ten did not stick up for PSU in 2016.

They should have insisted back then, if our champion does not get in, then nobody from our conference gets in.  Which I know would be tricky in some years when an 8-4 team upsets a 12-0 team in the CCG, but so be it, how often does that happen anyway?

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Re: 2018 Playoff Rankings
« Reply #16 on: December 02, 2018, 02:19:52 PM »
Georgia was blown out 40-17 last year and still made it
Ah, to Auburn. That's right. So we ammend:
- zero 2 loss participants
- zero participants with a blowout loss to an unranked team

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Re: 2018 Playoff Rankings
« Reply #17 on: December 02, 2018, 02:23:18 PM »
along that line...... conference championship means something (which it obviously does not)

why not put Big 12 champ OU at #3 over Notre Dame?
It's not comfortable for either of us to argue for our rivals, but do you really think OU deserves to be higher? I think -- because its defense is trash whereas ND is well-rounded -- that the Sooners are pretty obviously inferior to ND.
My thought is that the committee didn't want to include OU, but that OSU (blowout loss to a 6-6 team) and Georgia (2 losses, one a blowout to a ranked team) had too many fatal resume mistakes to be picked instead.

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Re: 2018 Playoff Rankings
« Reply #18 on: December 02, 2018, 02:25:19 PM »
This dis-respect for Big Ten conference champions all started when the Big Ten did not stick up for PSU in 2016.

They should have insisted back then, if our champion does not get in, then nobody from our conference gets in.  Which I know would be tricky in some years when an 8-4 team upsets a 12-0 team in the CCG, but so be it, how often does that happen anyway?
Meh, that was a weird year. There was a good argument for PSU being the third best team in the conference that year. And I doubt anyone will ever get into the 4-team playoff with a 39-point loss on their resume.

Also, I don't think the Big Ten is being disrespected. They just aren't being so respected that they get in no matter what. The last two seasons, no Big Ten team has fit the standard.
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Re: 2018 Playoff Rankings
« Reply #19 on: December 02, 2018, 02:29:03 PM »
seems the final slot was decided between a one-loss conference champ and a two-loss non champ
Ah, Georgia was #5, instead of OSU? Just noticed that. Still, I don't believe those 4-v-5 deliberations were serious. And either way, it falls in line with my other point about the unwritten rules of getting in (don't get blown out versus the unranked, don't lose 2 games).

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Re: 2018 Playoff Rankings
« Reply #20 on: December 02, 2018, 02:29:17 PM »
my point is the committee doesn't even pretend that conference championship matters

I'd love to see upsets by the Sooners and the Irish in the first round.  For a couple reasons...

just because the Irish have a better defense than the Sooners doesn't convince me that the Irish are the better team and therefore would win that matchup

so, in criteria levels, balanced team (decent defense) trumps other factors, such as best team?
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Re: 2018 Playoff Rankings
« Reply #21 on: December 02, 2018, 02:32:02 PM »
ND and OU are both likely to lose. OU by hamblasting. ND maybe too (though unlike OU-Bama, ND v. Clemson *could* be good). I do think ND would beat OU, though. Perhaps by a lot. But we'll never get to do that experiment, so these are just words.

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Re: 2018 Playoff Rankings
« Reply #22 on: December 02, 2018, 02:36:05 PM »
so, in criteria levels, balanced team (decent defense) trumps other factors, such as best team?
Are you asking this to the CFP Committee or to me, Joe Shmoe Fan?
I don't think the Committee needs to care about this question. I really think they can do all of their work by comparing final records, conference championships, and excluding teams with 2 losses and unranked blowouts. We may think they are having nuanced, sophisticated conversations, but (a) there's no evidence of that because (b) we'd get these same CFP fields without the committee having those kinds of hard conversations.
As for me, Joe Shmoe Fan, let's remember that ND is a #4 defense and Top 30 offense. OU has the #1 offense ... and a defense ranked ~#90. Yes, I think Oklahoma is obviously worse overall. ND is very well-rounded.
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Re: 2018 Playoff Rankings
« Reply #23 on: December 02, 2018, 03:03:13 PM »
I heard the committee chair mention Notre Dame being a balanced team as part of the evaluation process

but, that's merely lip service
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Re: 2018 Playoff Rankings
« Reply #24 on: December 03, 2018, 06:15:00 AM »
There has still never been:
-a 2 loss participant
-a participant with a blowout loss
OSU missed on both grounds last year and on the second this year. So we might as well (a) treat those as written CFP rules and (b) feel 100.000000% confident that a Big Ten champion who violates neither rule will *always* get in.
Nah, Auburn was going to get in with two losses last year until they picked up their 3rd loss in the SECCG.  They were #2  in the CFP and ranked two spots ahead of an undefeated Wisconsin heading into those games.

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Re: 2018 Playoff Rankings
« Reply #25 on: December 03, 2018, 06:21:48 AM »
I don't really see a problem with any of this.  Fans wants an "advantage" for their team and dislike it when arbiters who have no ax to grind don't confer them said advantage.


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Re: 2018 Playoff Rankings
« Reply #26 on: December 03, 2018, 10:50:21 AM »
as a fan, I'd like to see and advantage for playing a stronger schedule and an advantage for being a conference champion

the committee doesn't agree
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Re: 2018 Playoff Rankings
« Reply #27 on: December 03, 2018, 12:33:23 PM »
i'm not sold that the rankings we see are the same order if ou lost the bigxiiccg. i think there's a better than 50% chance they put osu in over uga for 2 reasons.

1 - they'd be under a tremendous amount of pressure to do so (imo it'd be the right call fwiw)
2 - otherwise they have to put a rematch of bama/uga for rd 1. and i don't think they'd do that. it'd have been easier to have bama #2 and uga #4, but they'd have to come up with some excuse to move bama down, and i don't think they had it.

this year, the committee had it easy. had 3 p5 undefeated teams, so that's easy. osu had a massive wart, uga had 2 losses and if in would be in a rematch (not ideal), and ou had just gotten redemption for against the team responsible for their lone loss (which was a 3 point loss where they had -3 turnover ratio), so they technically beat every team on their schedule. it gave them an easy road with minimal controversy.

 

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