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Topic: 2018 OT Tourney (1st Round) - Hurry Up vs. Wishbone

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ELA

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2018 OT Tourney (1st Round) - Hurry Up vs. Wishbone
« on: July 03, 2018, 08:07:36 AM »
SYSTEMIC CHANGES
End of TV monopoly
SYSTEM RULE CHANGES
Academic ineligibility
GAME RULE CHANGES
GAME PLAY CHANGES
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Re: 2018 OT Tourney (1st Round) - Hurry Up vs. Wishbone
« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2018, 08:09:58 AM »
This one is easy.  The "hurry up" IMO is the worst strategic thing to happen to football.  You want to go fast, go fast.  That's not what the hurry up is about.  It's about running to the line, negating potential defensive substitutions, then standing there for 25 seconds, which also negates the broadcasts ability to break down the last play, provide commentary, or allow the viewer to actually learn anything.  I hate to be pro-Saban, but I agree with him that a rule change preventing teams from snapping the ball in the first 10 seconds of the play clock would be good for the game.  Granted he only cares that it's good for his style, and that's fine, that's his job.  But I think it would improve the broadcasts and give defenses a fighting chance.
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Re: 2018 OT Tourney (1st Round) - Hurry Up vs. Wishbone
« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2018, 08:24:13 AM »
I'm not really in favor of that sort of artificial forced change in play, like mandating that a team can't snap the ball in the first ten seconds.  I get where you're coming from, but I'm actually all for innovation in the game. 

That said, I much prefer the wishbone over the hurry up in most of its forms, so that's where my vote went.
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Re: 2018 OT Tourney (1st Round) - Hurry Up vs. Wishbone
« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2018, 09:30:59 AM »
Wishbone. No contest.
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Re: 2018 OT Tourney (1st Round) - Hurry Up vs. Wishbone
« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2018, 09:58:29 AM »
Quote from: utee94 on July 03, 2018, 08:24:13 AM
I'm not really in favor of that sort of artificial forced change in play, like mandating that a team can't snap the ball in the first ten seconds.  I get where you're coming from, but I'm actually all for innovation in the game.

That said, I much prefer the wishbone over the hurry up in most of its forms, so that's where my vote went.
I don't see it as an artificial change in play anymore than any other rule.  Are the rules about guys on the line of scrimmage, having TEs covered, etc. artificial changes in play?  That you can't just run out there in any formation you want.
I think the Hurry Up and Wait Offenses have artificially changed the way the game is played by eliminating defensive substitutions.
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Re: 2018 OT Tourney (1st Round) - Hurry Up vs. Wishbone
« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2018, 10:02:06 AM »
Quote from: ELA on July 03, 2018, 09:58:29 AM
I don't see it as an artificial change in play anymore than any other rule.  Are the rules about guys on the line of scrimmage, having TEs covered, etc. artificial changes in play?  That you can't just run out there in any formation you want.
I think the Hurry Up and Wait Offenses have artificially changed the way the game is played by eliminating defensive substitutions.
I don't like a lot of the artificial rules in place.   So I'm pretty consistent on that.  I'd love to strip down the rulebook in football and let teams innovate even more.
And defensive substitutions are still allowed, based on offensive substitutions, as the offense can't run a play until the defense has a chance to respond.  The defense can't freely sub based on play formation, which is fine with me.
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Re: 2018 OT Tourney (1st Round) - Hurry Up vs. Wishbone
« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2018, 10:04:48 AM »
I just feel like too often the offense foregoes package ingenuity, in the name of simplicity, just to ensure the defense can't substitute, and we end up watching the offense run up to the line, the QB clap once, then stand up, and have the whole offense stare at the sidelines for 20 seconds.  It's what stands out to me the most whenever I watch an old game on BTN, SECN or ESPN Classic, is how much more replay and analysis we've sacrificed with these types of offense.  IMO, football is a much less entertaining game to watch when it's 5 seconds of action, with 30 seconds of watching the QB stare at the sidelines in between.
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Re: 2018 OT Tourney (1st Round) - Hurry Up vs. Wishbone
« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2018, 10:06:54 AM »
I hear ya.

My response is, ALL substitutions and package changes have slowed down the game.  I'd be fine with playing Iron Man football, players go both ways, and never leave the field. :)
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Re: 2018 OT Tourney (1st Round) - Hurry Up vs. Wishbone
« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2018, 10:18:14 AM »
Run em til their legs fall off!
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Re: 2018 OT Tourney (1st Round) - Hurry Up vs. Wishbone
« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2018, 10:21:55 AM »
Sure, why not? :)
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Re: 2018 OT Tourney (1st Round) - Hurry Up vs. Wishbone
« Reply #10 on: July 03, 2018, 01:28:18 PM »
You probably won't see so many 340# linemen...
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Re: 2018 OT Tourney (1st Round) - Hurry Up vs. Wishbone
« Reply #11 on: July 03, 2018, 06:27:07 PM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on July 03, 2018, 01:28:18 PM
You probably won't see so many 340# linemen...
I'm totally cool with that.  Football players would probably look a lot more like rugby players.
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Re: 2018 OT Tourney (1st Round) - Hurry Up vs. Wishbone
« Reply #12 on: July 03, 2018, 06:49:41 PM »
It was a lot easier for the non-helmets to compete, under the one platoon system. 
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Re: 2018 OT Tourney (1st Round) - Hurry Up vs. Wishbone
« Reply #13 on: July 03, 2018, 11:45:58 PM »
I have no problem with the hurry up no huddle if the ball is snapped quickly - the offense is as likely to be ineffective and tire out its own defense as to wear out the other D with it.

The hurry up and check the sideline and a bunch of guys are in their stance for 20 seconds sucks - it sucks as a player and viewer.  HATE it.  

The wishbone pretty much ruled college football for at least 20 years, no?
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