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Topic: 2018 OT Tourney (1st Round) - End of TV monopoly vs. Bowl game expansion

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ELA

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2018 OT Tourney (1st Round) - End of TV monopoly vs. Bowl game expansion
« on: July 02, 2018, 09:46:39 AM »
SYSTEMIC CHANGES
SYSTEM RULE CHANGES
GAME RULE CHANGES
GAME PLAY CHANGES
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Re: 2018 OT Tourney (1st Round) - End of TV monopoly vs. Bowl game expansion
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2018, 09:48:57 AM »
I think it's going to be tough for anything to beat the end of the tv monopoly for me.  So many of the later things in this poll probably never happen without that restriction being lifted
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Re: 2018 OT Tourney (1st Round) - End of TV monopoly vs. Bowl game expansion
« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2018, 12:43:15 PM »
Hmmm, swing and a miss on the topic this year?
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Re: 2018 OT Tourney (1st Round) - End of TV monopoly vs. Bowl game expansion
« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2018, 01:41:22 PM »
Per my other response, you need to spell out actually what we're voting on here. 

What is the end of TV monopoly? 

Are you proposing we expand to more bowl games? How? Does that mean we take more 5-7 or worse teams?
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Re: 2018 OT Tourney (1st Round) - End of TV monopoly vs. Bowl game expansion
« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2018, 01:45:09 PM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on July 02, 2018, 01:41:22 PM
Per my other response, you need to spell out actually what we're voting on here.

What is the end of TV monopoly?

Are you proposing we expand to more bowl games? How? Does that mean we take more 5-7 or worse teams?
That's why I every year I do the setup post before the tourney starts.

https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?topic=4443.0

I'll wait til Monday and do a double poll.  Maybe I'll skip weekends and do double Monday-Tuesday polls thrughout on here to keep participation high.

This is a sports related year, so I'm going with College Football changes.  As per usual, there is no criteria.  You can vote based on your favorite, the one you think was best for the sport (and within that pick your criteria, best for the health of the sport, best for sustaining the sport, best for growing the sport) or the one you think had the biggest impact.  Whatever you want.

Per Usual, there will be 4 brackets.  This one was not as clean as some others, but more or less, here is what I tried to fit them into:
1.) Systemic Changes - Not rules either on or off the field that changes how the game was played, but managed to have an impact on the nature of the port anyway
2.) System Rules - Off Field Rule changes that either impacted how to field a team, or what the finish line was
3.) Game Rules - On field game rule changes
4.) Game Play - either on field or off field changes that impacted the game on the field, that weren't based on rule changes but on game evolution
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Re: 2018 OT Tourney (1st Round) - End of TV monopoly vs. Bowl game expansion
« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2018, 01:50:43 PM »
Still not sure what we're voting on?

So there was a TV monopoly prior? I mean, not just a default where ABC/ESPN, plus NBC [ND] and CBS [SEC], were the de facto monopoly because Fox Sports didn't exist and the leagues didn't have their own networks?

And by bowl game expansion, you're talking about when? Back in the days when there were only a handful of bowls to the current point where ~50% of teams make a bowl?
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Re: 2018 OT Tourney (1st Round) - End of TV monopoly vs. Bowl game expansion
« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2018, 02:03:16 PM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on July 02, 2018, 01:50:43 PM
Still not sure what we're voting on?

So there was a TV monopoly prior? I mean, not just a default where ABC/ESPN, plus NBC [ND] and CBS [SEC], were the de facto monopoly because Fox Sports didn't exist and the leagues didn't have their own networks?

And by bowl game expansion, you're talking about when? Back in the days when there were only a handful of bowls to the current point where ~50% of teams make a bowl?
Sorry, I don't get what is confusing at this point.
Up until 1984 the NCAA controlled the TV rights until a Supreme Court ruling, allowing the teams/conferences to negotiate their own TV deals.

And yes, the continuous expansion of the number of bowl games.
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Re: 2018 OT Tourney (1st Round) - End of TV monopoly vs. Bowl game expansion
« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2018, 02:08:46 PM »
Quote from: ELA on July 02, 2018, 02:03:16 PM
Sorry, I don't get what is confusing at this point.

Up until 1984 the NCAA controlled the TV rights until a Supreme Court ruling, allowing the teams/conferences to negotiate their own TV deals.
Ahh. I was 6 years old. I thought football was "run around in circles and fall down". I wasn't up to speed on the Supreme Court rulings that year. :)
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Re: 2018 OT Tourney (1st Round) - End of TV monopoly vs. Bowl game expansion
« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2018, 02:20:01 PM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on July 02, 2018, 02:08:46 PM
Ahh. I was 6 years old. I thought football was "run around in circles and fall down". I wasn't up to speed on the Supreme Court rulings that year. :)
I was born in 1984.
That's my bad though.  I think some of the old farts around here have me thinking more things are common knowledge than actually are.
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Re: 2018 OT Tourney (1st Round) - End of TV monopoly vs. Bowl game expansion
« Reply #9 on: July 02, 2018, 02:41:25 PM »
I studied that SCOTUS decision pretty hard core, both in undergrad and in law school.    I think the topic in a contest setting does run the risk of being a little too esoteric.     I'm of the view that most people just think we went from 3 networks and public television, to 57 channels (and nothings on) overnight, and suddenly college football was on everywhere.

I'm still willing and able to provide an honest answer.   I think the onus can/should be on the participants to provide a 'case for' one choice over another.  Of course that won't prevent lurkers from ignoring those posts and voting anyways, which is fine too.
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Re: 2018 OT Tourney (1st Round) - End of TV monopoly vs. Bowl game expansion
« Reply #10 on: July 02, 2018, 03:00:41 PM »
Quote from: MarqHusker on July 02, 2018, 02:41:25 PM
I studied that SCOTUS decision pretty hard core, both in undergrad and in law school.    I think the topic in a contest setting does run the risk of being a little too esoteric.     I'm of the view that most people just think we went from 3 networks and public television, to 57 channels (and nothings on) overnight, and suddenly college football was on everywhere.

I'm still willing and able to provide an honest answer.   I think the onus can/should be on the participants to provide a 'case for' one choice over another.  Of course that won't prevent lurkers from ignoring those posts and voting anyways, which is fine too.

Hey, the more discussion the better!
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Re: 2018 OT Tourney (1st Round) - End of TV monopoly vs. Bowl game expansion
« Reply #11 on: July 02, 2018, 03:01:33 PM »
Quote from: MarqHusker on July 02, 2018, 02:41:25 PM
I studied that SCOTUS decision pretty hard core, both in undergrad and in law school.    I think the topic in a contest setting does run the risk of being a little too esoteric.     I'm of the view that most people just think we went from 3 networks and public television, to 57 channels (and nothings on) overnight, and suddenly college football was on everywhere.

I'm still willing and able to provide an honest answer.   I think the onus can/should be on the participants to provide a 'case for' one choice over another.  Of course that won't prevent lurkers from ignoring those posts and voting anyways, which is fine too.

And I agree, there's a long road, and several things can be pointed to along the way.  It's not like they just blew up the dam and there was college football everywhere, but nothing else is able to happen without that.
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Re: 2018 OT Tourney (1st Round) - End of TV monopoly vs. Bowl game expansion
« Reply #12 on: July 02, 2018, 03:15:46 PM »
The thing (between these two) that fundamentally changed college football was the end of the monopoly. TV rights increased the amount of money in college football, which dramatically changed the game to what we have now. It dramatically changed college athletics, too (not just football).
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Re: 2018 OT Tourney (1st Round) - End of TV monopoly vs. Bowl game expansion
« Reply #13 on: July 02, 2018, 04:13:19 PM »
Quote from: SFBadger96 on July 02, 2018, 03:15:46 PM
The thing (between these two) that fundamentally changed college football was the end of the monopoly. TV rights increased the amount of money in college football, which dramatically changed the game to what we have now. It dramatically changed college athletics, too (not just football).
I would agree. It raised the general profile of college football. That raised profile created more demand for the sport in general, especially outside the "helmet teams" who barely got on TV before, and thus created more demand for postseason play from those teams.
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