2018 Michigan Season thread

[FearlessF]

Patterson should be as good as former Hawkeye and Houston starters Rudock & O'Korn

[MrNubbz]

3rd time is a charm

[Mdot21]

Kind of agree ELA,perhaps there should be a caveat for this particular type of circumstance.The coaches bolt, Pete Carroll & Chip Kelly come to mind.With no real reprisals while recruits/players are shackled to a sinking ship.There has to be a fair middle ground.That or printed out in bold type - tough titty when the L.O.I. is signed - JMO

yeah this is a good point, heard that SEC weasel Finebaum bring it up. Basically said Freeze was fired in disgrace but he could go anywhere and be an offensive co-ordinator no problem but any kid that wants to leave Ole Miss that isn't a senior has to apply for a waiver. Just doesn't seem right.

[Mdot21]

Patterson should be as good as former Hawkeye and Houston starters Rudock & O'Korn

huh? what?
Rudock was pretty rough those first 5 games, but in his defense he wasn't there for spring ball at all, and he didn't get there until late in fall camp. Think he missed the first week of fall camp actually. After that though it just clicked for him and he was just excellent. He threw 9 INT's that year. 6 of them were in those first 5 games. Not all of those INT's were his fault either, some of them were receivers running the wrong routes. Rudock very rarely put the ball in harms way. Which means the last 8 games of that year he only threw 3 picks. Once he got that offense down and figured out how to operate that system, he was really good. They probably would've been a playoff team in 2016 had he been able to comeback. Once he figured out that system, he was dealing man.
O'Korn on the other hand was just pretty much bad from the word go and never improved over 3 years. Rudock started off shaky then made a quantum leap in 8 weeks and got drafted by the NFL. O'Korn was there 3 years and just seemed to get worse.
If he is as good as Rudock, they'll be in business.
Honestly, not fair to really compare either of those kids to Patterson. Rudock and O'Korn were marginal recruits with short offer lists. O'Korn moved to South Florida from Pennsylvania so he could even get recruited, because nobody had offered him any kind of scholarship after his first two years of high school in PA. Patterson had offers from schools as a 9th grader, was committed to Arizona and RichRod at 14. Patterson was one of the most highly recruited QB's in recent memory. He won the Elite 11 QB MVP, went up against the top 24 HS QB's in the nation, won the whole damn thing. He QB'd his team to the 7on7 championship at that huge "The Opening" event in Oregon at the Nike HQ's. He won the Army-All American Bowl MVP. He was the #1 QB and the #3 player in his class in the 247composite.
Patterson only started 10 games in his short career. Three as a true freshman, he was planning on redshirting but star QB Chad Kelly tore his ACL and Hugh Freeze burned Patterson's redshirt and started him last 3 games of that season. Then he started first 7 games of this year before injuring his PCL/MCL and missing rest of the year. So 10 games starting in the SEC. He's passed for 300+ in 7 of those 10 games. Want to know how many times Harbaugh has had a 300 yard passer in his 38 games as Michigan's coach? 5 times. Jake Rudock had 3 of them.
Patterson is way more talented than O'Korn or Rudock. Like way way way way way way way way more talented.

[847badgerfan]

I'd rather just see Harbaugh recruit his own kids and develop them. Seriously. Enough with the transfer thing. Just make you're own already. We all know he can do it.

[Mdot21]

I'd rather just see Harbaugh recruit his own kids and develop them. Seriously. Enough with the transfer thing. Just make you're own already. We all know he can do it.

He had to take Rudock that first year. If he didn't take Rudock, they go 7-6, not 10-3 that first year. Speight was nowhere near ready to be a starter and Morris was horrible.
I really think Peters is going to be good. I saw flashes from him as a rs frosh that I never saw from Speight and we all know O'Korn was just terrible.
But Shea Patterson wanted to be at Michigan. I don't think you turn that kind of talent down. Patterson is an enormous talent. You only turn him down if you have an established star at QB. They don't have one of those. Patterson will be with the team for spring ball. Let Peters and Patterson battle it out and may the best man win.
They didn't have a legitimate back-up QB after Speight and Malzone transferred. Dylan McCaffrey is not physically ready. Physically he was always 2 years away. He got to Michigan this year weighing 170 pounds. He's pushing 6'5. Incoming true frosh Joe Milton is a physical specimen but he is a total project that will take at least 2 years to develop before he's ever ready to take a snap in a real game. Another incoming true frosh Kevin Doyle was most likely your back-up if anything happened to Peters. That's not a good spot to be in IMO. They needed a QB transfer for depth. They better hope Patterson gets his waiver.

[847badgerfan]

You watch.. McCaffrey is gonna be an excellent WR and maybe even a return guy. Seems to me they are already recruiting over him at QB.

I know it's early still, and time will tell. I just have a gut feeling on him.

[Mdot21]

You watch.. McCaffrey is gonna be an excellent WR and maybe even a return guy. Seems to me they are already recruiting over him at QB.

I know it's early still, and time will tell. I just have a gut feeling on him.

I actually kind of agree with you. McCaffrey is way too small right now to be a QB. If McCaffrey took that kill shot Peters did by Van Ginkel he'd have been broken in half. Peters and DCaff are similar height, both north of 6'4 pushing 6'5. But Peters is pushing 220 lbs. McCaffrey? He reported to Michigan at 170 and word is he's not even 190 right now. In all honestly McCaffrey probably should have never been rated as highly as he was. Saw him in that Army Bowl and his arm strength was really lacking compared to the other top prep QB's there. Think a lot of that ranking had to do with his last name and what school he picked. McCaffrey is really athletic and long though, and he played WR in high school before he switched to QB- so WR could just be where he ultimately winds up.
I think incoming frosh Kevin Doyle is super underrated, just won Gatorade player of the year in DC and won a WCAC title, which is kinda like a version of a state title I guess. He plays against very good competition in a region that produces a ton of FBS prospects. And he is a legit 6'4, 210 as that's what he checked in at one of those Opening Nike combines.
Joe Milton has freakish combination of size, running ability, and arm strength, but I am afraid he might just be a bigger version of Shane Morris. He's insanely raw just like Morris was, but he's even bigger than Morris was and has that same type of ridiculous arm strength.

Milton and Doyle's rankings should be flipped. Doyle should be the 4* and Milton the 3*.

[Temp430]

I don't see the NCAA doing Coach Harbaugh any favors by granting immediate eligibility to Patterson or any other non-senior Ole Miss transfers.  Whatever happens it will be an improvement.

[Mdot21]

I don't see the NCAA doing Coach Harbaugh any favors by granting immediate eligibility to Patterson or any other non-senior Ole Miss transfers.  Whatever happens it will be an improvement.

we'll find out here pretty soon. I guess any players transferring are going to try to say that Hugh Freeze and Ole Miss lied and misled them to believe that the NCAA investigation had nothing to do with Freeze and his staff but were all related to Houston Nutt. A lot of the players trying to transfer have hired the same lawyer that Houston Nutt hired to successfully sue Ole Miss and Freeze. Nutt proved in court that Freeze/Ole Miss was lying. Ole Miss admitted this in court and settled with Nutt for millions of dollars. Freeze/Ole Miss was trying to pin it all on Nutt, when Nutt had nothing to do with it. Players who are trying to leave just might have a case.
Patterson is an upgrade over what they have had at the QB position. No disrespect to Peters, but he's only started 3 games and wasn't really asked to carry the entire offense on his back the way Patterson was asked to carry Ole Miss' offense. I really liked what I saw out of Peters, there were some nice flashes there but the body of work/sample size is very small. Peters was a lot further behind in his development that Patterson coming out of high school. Peters didn't get the kind of QB coaching/tutoring that Patterson did, and Peters played like 4 other sports in high school, he wasn't a year round football kid like Patterson.

Before his injury, Pro Football Focus had Patterson rated #3 in the FBS in terms of average yards per touchdown pass in 2017. He had 17 TD passes and they averaged 33.1 yards per TD pass thru 7 games.

Some other numbers on Shea: this year on passes of 10 yards of more, Patterson has a passer rating of 194.25, completing 50 of 90 pass attempts for nine touchdowns, four interceptions and 1,267 yards. Michigan's QB's were 37 for 114 for 903 yards, four touchdowns and six interceptions with a passer rating of 100.04. Against the blitz, Patterson's touchdown-to-interception ratio is 6.0, with 12 touchdowns and two interceptions.

By the way, Patterson is the highest rated QB recruit to come to the B1G since Ryan Mallett came to Michigan in 2007 and Terrelle Pryor came to Ohio State in 2008. Mallett was the #2 QB and #4 player overall, Pryor was the #1 QB and #1 player overall. Shea was the #1 QB and #3 player overall.

[Mdot21]

Michigan to make a change at S&C coach. Color me skeptical. I think the nutty fans on msg boards make a way bigger deal out of S&C coaches than they should.

What really matters are the you know, actual coaches. And until he fires Drevno and makes his son move on, the whole meritocracy line is just a that- a line of BS.

[847badgerfan]

I dunno man. The impact that change of strength coach in Madison is noticeable. Like, a lot.

[Mdot21]

per Safety Deontay Anderson, his transcripts didn't clear admissions at Michigan. 

Sounding like WR Van Jefferson's might not clear either.

Bummer. 

[ELA]

Isn't that the reason people go to Ole Miss in the first place? Lazy admissions and booster handouts. The real world is a cruel place.