2018 Coaching Changes thread

[Mdot21]

Jeff Fisher lobbying for the Tennessee job. Says he considers Tennessee home and he would take the job if offered.

Please Tennessee. Don't do it. For the love of god.

[fezzador]

Maybe. But they had way more tradition/success to begin with than Tennessee. Way more iconic of a program, even before they landed Saban. Saban tearing it up just adds to the already tremendous legacy of that program. To me those 5 programs are just iconic, pretty synonymous with college football. When you think of college football- you think of those programs.

That is all true, but being hypothetical, let's say that the Mike Price deal actually worked out (in the sense that he actually coached for them).  He'd probably be cranking out 7-10 win seasons pretty consistently for a few years until the fanbase would grow tired and want more.  By the time he'd have gotten canned anyway (say, 5 or 6-ish seasons), Saban would have almost certainly been off the market by that point and Bama would have been forced to settle yet again.
So it's not far-fetched to think that Bama could be mired in an extended rut of mediocrity.

[FearlessF]

Mike Leech has a young stud D coordinator

they are currently #17 in total yards per game and #3 in passing yards allowed per game

in the PAC

rumors in Lincoln that Scott Frost is looking to this guy as a D coordinator

[Mdot21]

Mike Leech has a young stud D coordinator

they are currently #17 in total yards per game and #3 in passing yards allowed per game

in the PAC

rumors in Lincoln that Scott Frost is looking to this guy as a D coordinator

rumors are also that if Leach jumps, Wazzu is going to promote that DC to head coach.

[Mdot21]

That is all true, but being hypothetical, let's say that the Mike Price deal actually worked out (in the sense that he actually coached for them).  He'd probably be cranking out 7-10 win seasons pretty consistently for a few years until the fanbase would grow tired and want more.  By the time he'd have gotten canned anyway (say, 5 or 6-ish seasons), Saban would have almost certainly been off the market by that point and Bama would have been forced to settle yet again.
So it's not far-fetched to think that Bama could be mired in an extended rut of mediocrity.

it's happened to every school but Ohio State. Even at USC. Notre Dame has gone through an almost uninterrupted extended rut of mediocrity for 25 years.

Michigan was on the verge of absolutely cratering and being where Tennessee is at after Carr retired and the disaster that was Hoke and Rodriguez for a decade. They just happened to luck out that year they fired Hoke that Harbaugh was available and he was not only an alum, but that he grew up in Ann Arbor and his father coached for Bo, and Jim was the starting QB for Bo and probably the best QB that Bo ever had. Jim idolizes Bo. Not sure they'd have landed him otherwise. He's probably coaching another NFL team if those connections didn't run that deep.

[ELA]

and this will be opportunity to see if my paragraph function works...  
Currie was set up to fail in this debacle- Fulmer IS the interim AD, and supposedly has a very big name on stand by for announcement.  
the struggles in that office and all the intrigue will be available once the dust settles, but fellas- this is a saga worthy of the silver screen...

https://twitter.com/OldTakesExposed/status/936611588735369216

[fezzador]

it's happened to every school but Ohio State. Even at USC. Notre Dame has gone through an almost uninterrupted extended rut of mediocrity for 25 years.

Michigan was on the verge of absolutely cratering and being where Tennessee is at after Carr retired and the disaster that was Hoke and Rodriguez for a decade. They just happened to luck out that year they fired Hoke that Harbaugh was available and he was not only an alum, but that he grew up in Ann Arbor and his father coached for Bo, and Jim was the starting QB for Bo and probably the best QB that Bo ever had. Jim idolizes Bo. Not sure they'd have landed him otherwise. He's probably coaching another NFL team if those connections didn't run that deep.

ND needs to man up and become a full member of the ACC and be done with it.  The lack of a conference championship game, and conference money, is only hurting them.  They may no longer get preferential treatment, but they'll have the entire eastern seaboard to recruit from.  They'll probably be at least in the thick of divisional championships most years.
As for Michigan, the jury is still out on Harbaugh.  He's an upgrade over RichRod and Hoke, but probably similar to Carr right now.  He's not in any immediate danger of being fired, but he could at least use a win over OSU.  And he needs to beat Sparty and PSU with more consistency too.  8-4 should be a down year for him - he's too good to let this be the norm.

[ELA]

... but then they lose the promised 1/2 burden for the planned renovations.  
the man 'bought' himself a seat at the table.  he has both davenport and currie on a leash.  
he's supremely competent, as you know- just look at what he's accomplished at the storied Browns.  

[Mdot21]

ND needs to man up and become a full member of the ACC and be done with it.  The lack of a conference championship game, and conference money, is only hurting them.  They may no longer get preferential treatment, but they'll have the entire eastern seaboard to recruit from.  They'll probably be at least in the thick of divisional championships most years.
As for Michigan, the jury is still out on Harbaugh.  He's an upgrade over RichRod and Hoke, but probably similar to Carr right now.  He's not in any immediate danger of being fired, but he could at least use a win over OSU.  And he needs to beat Sparty and PSU with more consistency too.  8-4 should be a down year for him - he's too good to let this be the norm.

ND should join the B1G. Not the ACC. If the conferences are going to expand to 16 teams, ND belongs in the B1G.

I have to laugh at people who say that about Harbaugh. He is very close to breaking through. He took over a 5-7 team, flipped it to 10-3 his first year. Would've been 11-2 if not for an absolute miracle with that Kick 6. Or Punt 6 I should say. His 2nd year they were literally inches away in OT on 4th down from finishing the regular season 11-1 and playing in the B1G CG as a play-in spot for the playoff. He's 2-1 against MSU if not for an absolute miracle and gift from the Football Gods on that disastrous punt play with 8 seconds left in the game. He's 2-1 against Franklin- including beating him in Happy Valley his first year taking over a 5-7 team and then a 40 point beat-down in Ann Arbor last year. No question he needs to do better against OSU and MSU.
His 3rd year he's 8-4 with 3 losses to top 10 teams- two of which were on the road- (@W, OSU, @PSU) after losing 43 seniors, 11 guys to the NFL draft, and 17 starters, and starting 3 different QB's- and suddenly the guy can't coach. He is a wayyyyyyy better coach than Lloyd Carr.

[fezzador]

Tennessee already has part of the Browns' color scheme. Now all they need to do is throw in some chocolate brown in an alt-uni and masquerade as the Browns.

[Mdot21]

Tennessee already has part of the Browns' color scheme. Now all they need to do is throw in some chocolate brown in an alt-uni and masquerade as the Browns.

well both football teams have the same owner: Jimmy Haslam. Mere coincidence that both programs are complete sh!t shows? I think not.

[ELA]

well both football teams have the same owner: Jimmy Haslam. Mere coincidence that both programs are complete sh!t shows? I think not.

Yeah, I think that's the point.  Wasn't he a lifelong Steelers fan, and tried to buy an interest there, and was basically told no, even though he was the highest bidder?  That should tell you something.

[fezzador]

ND should join the B1G. Not the ACC. If the conferences are going to expand to 16 teams, ND belongs in the B1G.

I have to laugh at people who say that about Harbaugh. He is very close to breaking through. He took over a 5-7 team, flipped it to 10-3 his first year. Would've been 11-2 if not for an absolute miracle with that Kick 6. Or Punt 6 I should say. His 2nd year they were literally inches away in OT on 4th down from finishing the regular season 11-1 and playing in the B1G CG as a play-in spot for the playoff. He's 2-1 against MSU if not for an absolute miracle and gift from the Football G-Ds on that disastrous punt play with 8 seconds left in the game. He's 2-1 against Franklin- including beating him in Happy Valley his first year taking over a 5-7 team and then a 40 point beat-down in Ann Arbor last year. No question he needs to do better against OSU and MSU.
His 3rd year he's 8-4 with 3 losses to top 10 teams- two of which were on the road- (@W, OSU, @PSU) after losing 43 seniors, 11 guys to the NFL draft, and 17 starters, and starting 3 different QB's- and suddenly the guy can't coach. He is a wayyyyyyy better coach than Lloyd Carr.

ND fits better in the B1G geographically, but the B1G probably wants ND more than the other way around.  If ND is pressured into joining a conference, they'll most likely become full ACC members.  It's usually an easier conference to win, and the recruiting grounds are more fertile. 

Make no mistake, I was not knocking Harbaugh.  He's realistically the best coach UM can get, and he's got the potential to do something special, but he really hasn't proven anything yet (other than what he did at Stanford and San Fran)

[ELA]

ND fits better in the B1G geographically, but the B1G probably wants ND more than the other way around.  If ND is pressured into joining a conference, they'll most likely become full ACC members.  It's usually an easier conference to win, and the recruiting grounds are more fertile.  

This.

Plus, yes they are located in Big Ten territory, and probably have a lot of local fans, but for road games, I imagine you have far more ND fans in the ACC footprint than the Big Ten.  I've always assumed a healthy number of ND fans up and down the larger east coast markets, moreso than in Nebraska or Minnesota or Ohio.