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847badgerfan

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Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
« Reply #182 on: November 27, 2017, 09:33:40 PM »
Jimbo got cross with the AD or some boosters of substance?

didn't like the way he is treated during a losing season?

doesn't think he's appreciated or respected?
Jimbo?

Hell, I'm fine.
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Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
« Reply #183 on: November 27, 2017, 10:38:29 PM »
Before the mid-major that your are a fan of goes out and Todd Graham or his next dream job, just keep in mind these stories in just a 11 month tenure at Pitt. 

There was constant berating of the players, most of all Sunseri (who yes wasn't great but was serviceable the previous year) who other teammates though really affected his play. Also statements to players such as "I'll make more than you in a year that you will make in your lifetime." The university had to step in and force him to make a retraction. 

this from the post-gazette

The Steelers practically threw a party when they heard that Pitt coach Todd Graham quit. That goes from the top to the bottom, from those who work in the offices to the coaches and every-day workers who came into contact with Graham and his staff in the building.
They described Graham as an arrogant man who had no use for anything the Steelers might have offered, and they say he resented having to share the building and the indoor practice field at the UPMC complex with them.
Before Graham, the Panthers and the Steelers ate in the same cafeteria, although at different times. Graham came in and put an end to that. The cooks at the cafeteria still prepare the food for the Panthers, but it is then brought over to the other side of the building, where Pitt created its own cafeteria to serve Graham's players and his wishes.
Instead of embracing the advantages that an association with the Steelers might bring, Graham rejected them, even if there was little he could do about the shared facilities. That really came down to just sharing the indoor practice field and the parking lots because everything else is separate, including weight rooms, outdoor practice fields, locker rooms, etc. It's one building, but it's really two, like a big duplex.
Under Chryst and Narduzzi, the Steelers, who probably could say they have better things to do than try to help some medicore P5 squad, make their coaches available to Pitt players and Tomlin has even taken time to speak with potential recruits. 

When rumors were flying that Graham was leaving for ASU, the AD kept calling his house just for an answer about Graham was planning to do. Graham wouldn't pick up his cell phone, so the AD drove to his house. Only TG wouldn't even open the door and yelled through the window to go away

After being interviewed by Wisconsin when the deal was pretty much all but sealed, Chryst went on a recruiting visit for Pitt. 
 

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Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
« Reply #184 on: November 27, 2017, 11:36:53 PM »
Jimbo got cross with the AD or some boosters of substance?

didn't like the way he is treated during a losing season?

doesn't think he's appreciated or respected?
One of my buddies from FSU tells me FSU is interested in Scott Frost, now. I never liked Jimbo Fisher. He mumbles. Among other hangups I have with him.

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Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
« Reply #185 on: November 27, 2017, 11:37:41 PM »
Nah. I think I'm pretty on the money. Brown isn't in a rush to be a HC. That's why he isn't one. If he wanted an HC job- he could get one. He's gonna be 64. Any job he'd go to would be a rebuild. Not sure he wants to work those hours and put in that effort. Who knows how long he even wants to coach for? Guy is pushing 70. And he's comfortable where he's at and paid very well.

Moorehead will get a head coach job soon. He's only been the OC at Penn State for 2 years.
Dude inherited a 1-10 FCS team and went 38-13 with three playoff appearances. Before that, he had five years as OC, turning around Akron and then being kinda blah at UConn (first year good, second less so, but with a Fiesta Bowl trip). 
He would've been a good candidate two years ago. 

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Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
« Reply #186 on: November 28, 2017, 03:13:32 AM »
Before the mid-major that your are a fan of goes out and Todd Graham or his next dream job, just keep in mind these stories in just a 11 month tenure at Pitt.

There was constant berating of the players, most of all Sunseri (who yes wasn't great but was serviceable the previous year) who other teammates though really affected his play. Also statements to players such as "I'll make more than you in a year that you will make in your lifetime." The university had to step in and force him to make a retraction.

this from the post-gazette

The Steelers practically threw a party when they heard that Pitt coach Todd Graham quit. That goes from the top to the bottom, from those who work in the offices to the coaches and every-day workers who came into contact with Graham and his staff in the building.
They described Graham as an arrogant man who had no use for anything the Steelers might have offered, and they say he resented having to share the building and the indoor practice field at the UPMC complex with them.
Before Graham, the Panthers and the Steelers ate in the same cafeteria, although at different times. Graham came in and put an end to that. The cooks at the cafeteria still prepare the food for the Panthers, but it is then brought over to the other side of the building, where Pitt created its own cafeteria to serve Graham's players and his wishes.
Instead of embracing the advantages that an association with the Steelers might bring, Graham rejected them, even if there was little he could do about the shared facilities. That really came down to just sharing the indoor practice field and the parking lots because everything else is separate, including weight rooms, outdoor practice fields, locker rooms, etc. It's one building, but it's really two, like a big duplex.
Under Chryst and Narduzzi, the Steelers, who probably could say they have better things to do than try to help some medicore P5 squad, make their coaches available to Pitt players and Tomlin has even taken time to speak with potential recruits.

When rumors were flying that Graham was leaving for ASU, the AD kept calling his house just for an answer about Graham was planning to do. Graham wouldn't pick up his cell phone, so the AD drove to his house. Only TG wouldn't even open the door and yelled through the window to go away

After being interviewed by Wisconsin when the deal was pretty much all but sealed, Chryst went on a recruiting visit for Pitt.
 
Haha so much of this sounds like undocumented heresay but even if it's all 100% true Graham will be the first to tell anyone going to Pitt in the first place was a mistake he regretted almost immediately. And even more importantly his 6 seasons at ASU he genuinely did treat the school, players, and job itself like a dream job. Team GPA and graduation rate has increased every season under TG. ASU went from one of the most penalized teams in the nation to least immediately when he took over, while off the field trouble was also extremely rare and dealt with when it did happen. He donated half a million of his own money to ASU's stadium rennovation and personally spearheaded a return to spending a week of fall practice at Camp Tontozona, a long storied and beloved ASU tradition that Erickson abandoned.
Basically, even if Graham was the devil incarnate at Pitt he most definitely wasn't at ASU and any mid major who hires him would be lucky to do so.
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Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
« Reply #187 on: November 28, 2017, 06:09:45 AM »
So much for my pipe dream of Cutcliffe and Martin together.

From the twitter of Chris Low (ESecPN):

Tennessee has reached out to David Cutcliffe about the Vols' head coaching job, but Cutcliffe informed UT officials that he wasn't interested and plans to finish his coaching career at Duke. The Blue Devils are bowl eligible for the 5th time in the last 6 years.
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Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
« Reply #188 on: November 28, 2017, 07:02:21 AM »
Nah. I think I'm pretty on the money. Brown isn't in a rush to be a HC. That's why he isn't one. If he wanted an HC job- he could get one. He's gonna be 64. Any job he'd go to would be a rebuild. Not sure he wants to work those hours and put in that effort. Who knows how long he even wants to coach for? Guy is pushing 70. And he's comfortable where he's at and paid very well.

Moorehead will get a head coach job soon. He's only been the OC at Penn State for 2 years.
Oh you are right, I'm just saying it makes no sense for AD's to think this way.  These guys are strong candidates and they should chase strong candidates.

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Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
« Reply #189 on: November 28, 2017, 09:36:54 AM »

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Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
« Reply #190 on: November 28, 2017, 11:14:38 AM »
I'm curious what makes A&M a "mediocre" job.  No doubt FSU is a good gig and would be tough to leave... but the A&M job is not exactly chopped liver.
You might've already come across these, but BOTH the Rival's and Scout site's posted their ten reasons "why Sumlin failed."
https://tamu.rivals.com/news/10-reasons-why-sumlin-failed-at-a-m

https://247sports.com/college/texas-am/Article/Ten-thoughts-Why-Kevin-Sumlin-failed-111184350

Even with Johnny Manziel boosting Sumlin's tenure, he was just never able to get control of key aspects of the program - player development, recruiting character issues, hiring assistants, etc. All the shortcuts he took came back at him. And more than anything I'll remember Sumlin's teams as getting worse as the season went along.

He'll have no problem finding another gig, but I'm not sure we'll see anything better than the Pelini plateau of 8-5 or 9-4 wherever Sumlin ends up.  

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« Reply #191 on: November 28, 2017, 01:24:41 PM »
Sumlin is a really good, not great coach- with questionable off-field activities. Lotta rumors about him being a drunk/prescription pill popper. The idea that he was this amazing coach that was going to bring A&M titles- never really got all the hype on him.
 
He's been good for 8-9 wins a year and every once in awhile he'll get you 11 ish. That program has dealt with a lot of attrition and recruits busting out of the program but he was still able to always win at least 8-9. That's not easy to do. When Michigan went through their run of recruiting busts/attrition like that they had a hard time even winning 5 games a season. So I do give him a lot of credit for the program not just tanking into the abyss.

A&M thought they could do better. Doubt they will, but good luck to them. If I were them I'd go after Joe Moorehead- but that's just me. They seem to want a big sexy name though. It's like a lot of these AD's just want to win the PR battle and the press conference instead of just finding a good coach.

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Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
« Reply #192 on: November 28, 2017, 01:25:59 PM »
the talk now is Gundy to UT.

nuts.
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Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
« Reply #193 on: November 28, 2017, 01:28:04 PM »
the talk now is Gundy to UT.

nuts.
I suppose you get do a lot worse than Gundy for your Plan F

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« Reply #194 on: November 28, 2017, 01:34:20 PM »
If they land Gundy- that's a HOME RUN. Seriously. After this shit show of a circus freak show that has been the Tennessee coaching search- to lure Gundy away from the school that he was a starting QB at- and a school that he's had a ton of success at? Would be a home run.

Gundy can coach offense. What about defense? In the SEC you better have a defense.

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« Reply #195 on: November 28, 2017, 01:37:29 PM »
wanna hear something funny? 

If Gundy falls through, Kiffin has approached UT expressing interest... 

I SWEAR you can't make this stuff up.... 

And: Gundy was my original #4. 

 

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