2018-2019 B1G Basketball Thread

[bayareabadger]

 It was a pretty OK win for Wisconsin. Things look good early and late, kind of crappy in the middle. 

 If Nebraska wants to rally together and make that win look better down the stretch, I would appreciate it. 

[ELA]

It was a pretty OK win for Wisconsin. Things look good early and late, kind of crappy in the middle.

 If Nebraska wants to rally together and make that win look better down the stretch, I would appreciate it.

I don't see it, they just don't have much without Copeland.  That big dude wasn't any good, and Miles was forced to play him til he fouled out, because he was still substantially better than the guy behind him, who couldn't defend anything.

[MaximumSam]

Impressed the Bucks could generate open shots against Michigan. Hopefully future buckeye teams can make open shots.

[MichiFan87]

Michigan's defense was somewhat fortunate, but they still played rather well (0.803 PPP after holding Indiana to 0.696 PPP), except against the Wesson brothers.

Hellofa game for Simpson of course with a triple double. Every other Michigan player who has done it other than Gary Grant, who did it in a tournament loss to North Carolina (Caris LeVert, Darius Morris, Manny Harris, Derrick Walton) had their's against bad teams, which makes it all the more impressive.

The offense could've been better, but there weren't many turnovers or bad shots though an unfortunate number of missed good shots and the transition offense is still a work in progress.

At Iowa is next, which will provide Michigan's offense a chance to do well but also put a lot of pressure on the defense. It should be a good game.

[RestingB!tchFace]

Lol, so you don't get it.  At least we can work with that

Lol.  Hard to understand fan rankings that aren't based upon results.  3-6 conference record vs 5-4 conference record.  The 5-4 team beat the 3-6 team head to head.

Fan based tiers have 3-6 team as tier 4
Fan based tiers have 5-4 team as tier 5

It's all good.  I don't really care that much about your rankings.  Just funny to see how you justify some of these.  Are they based on preseason tiers?  Way too slow to adapt to results?

[Anonymous Coward]

RBF: are you also complaining to Pomeroy, Massey, Sagarin, Lunardi, etc., all of whom agree with ELA/medina that, despite the conference standings, Minnesota is not as good as (or in the case of KenPom and Lunardi, won't finish as high as) Iowa, Wisconsin or Nebraska?

Because I'm sure you could find their emails if you tried.

[RestingB!tchFace]

RBF: are you also complaining to Pomeroy, Massey, Sagarin, Lunardi, etc., all of whom agree with ELA/medina that, despite the conference standings, Minnesota is not as good as, for example, Wisconsin.

Did RPI completely evaporate from existence this year?  Minnesota is 30th in RPI.  Lot's of the ranking systems you refer to use efficiency ratings....which completely ignore wins/losses and SOS.  I'd implore you to go look at the new ranking system (NET).  It's a complete joke.  But look at the records of teams in the NET rankings and ask yourself how they can possibly use these as bracket predictors.  Lunardi got the memo and has fallen in line.

[Anonymous Coward]

Many (could be most) fans and experts have spent decades arguing that, though RPI hasn't yet evaporated, it should have. 

Aside from its placement of Minnesota in 2019, what's your best argument for its algorithm?

[Anonymous Coward]

Meanwhile, I doubt there's a more respected ratings entity than Kenpom in MBB. Sure, his is about projecting the future, rather than evaluating the past, but it performs well and, convenient for this conversation, agrees with every ranking mentioned spare RPI and an incomplete conference standing.

[RestingB!tchFace]

Many (could be most) fans and experts have spent decades arguing that, though RPI hasn't yet evaporated, it should have.

Aside from its placement of Minnesota in 2019, what's your best argument for its algorithm?

I'm not necessarily arguing for RPi….but....I'm questioning the abrupt shift away from it.  As a Gopher fan....yeah....I've got a personal interest in this.  Our "resume" seems to be a non factor whereas it was the main factor before.  We have teams that we've beaten head-to-head and that have four more losses sitting safely in the field while we're on the bubble?  

Everything is based upon efficiency.  Offensive possessions regardless of opponent, score, time of game, etc.....doesn't matter.  NC State played NOBODY in the non-con and rolled.  Their efficiency rating shot through the roof.  Now look at their schedule and let me know what's earned them an RPI in the 100's, yet a low NET and a #23 ranking.  What's right.

NC State Wolfpack Basketball

[bayareabadger]

I'm not necessarily arguing for RPi….but....I'm questioning the abrupt shift away from it.  As a Gopher fan....yeah....I've got a personal interest in this.  Our "resume" seems to be a non factor whereas it was the main factor before.  We have teams that we've beaten head-to-head and that have four more losses sitting safely in the field while we're on the bubble?  

Everything is based upon efficiency.  Offensive possessions regardless of opponent, score, time of game, etc.....doesn't matter.  NC State played NOBODY in the non-con and rolled.  Their efficiency rating shot through the roof.  Now look at their schedule and let me know what's earned them an RPI in the 100's, yet a low NET and a #23 ranking.  What's right.

NC State Wolfpack Basketball

The NET (or any efficiency-based matric) is just a better way to build resumes. In theory, a team’s own rating shouldn’t boost or hurt it all that much. 
In the end, teams will be ranked by good wins and bad losses, and there’s still some time for Minnesota to stack up well there. 

[847badgerfan]

It was a pretty OK win for Wisconsin. Things look good early and late, kind of crappy in the middle.

 If Nebraska wants to rally together and make that win look better down the stretch, I would appreciate it.

So Maryland comes to Madison on Friday. This will be a tough game for UW.

[Brutus Buckeye]

So done with basketball...

[MaximumSam]

It's miserable cold and I'm home watching the girls since everything is closed.  Was intrigued seeing NC State last night and seeing two former 
Buckeyes on the floor, and that made me think of the many guys who have left in the past couple years.  This is probably only of interest to Buck fans but I ain't starting a new thread.

2017:  PG Braxton Beverly signed with the Buckeyes but transferred to NC State after Thad Matta was fired.  He has pretty much been their starting point guard since.  Given this team's guard and turnover issues, he was a big loss.

2016: F Derek Funderburk was kicked off the team shortly after Holtmann arrived for undisclosed reasons.  He ended up going JUCO before arriving at NC State this year.  He's averaging 18 minutes, 8 points and 4 rebounds.  He would certainly be useful this year given the total lack of depth up front.

F Micah Potter quit the team and looked to transfer right before the season started and is heading to Wisconsin.  His issue appears to be minutes, since he couldn't beat out Kaleb Wesson at center and wasn't a great fit at other positions.  But he has a good offensive game and certainly would add quality depth to this Buckeye team.

2015: The lost class, as none of these guys lasted.  They would be seniors now.

SG Jaquan Lyle was the most talented but had the iffiest head, and was eventually kicked off the team.  He landed at New Mexico, but ruptured his Achilles before the season started and has yet to suit up.

C Daniel Giddens transferred to Alabama after one year.  He seems glued to the bench, averaging 7 minutes and 2 points a game for a pretty average Alabama team.  

SG Austin Grandstaff quit the team after 10 games into his freshman year.  He transferred to Oklahoma, then to Depaul, and played one season of pretty limited minutes.  It appears he has quit basketball altogether.

PG AJ Harris transferred to New Mexico State after one year, and has been giving them quality minutes at 27 minutes and 11 points a game. NMSU is decent enough this year, so that's not too shabby and he could certainly contribute here.

F Mickey Mitchell transferred to Arizona State after a year.  He averaged 22 minutes a game last year, but that's down to 9 this year and sounds like he's battled a lot of injuries.  

2014

There's actually two guys with eligibility who are gone - Keita Bates-Diop obviously went pro and Dave Bell transferred after two seasons to Jackonsville University. 

So that's 10 guys who could be playing right now who aren't, enough for a whole other basketball team (they have ten scholarship guys right now).  Hopefully, the roster turnover is a thing of the past as Holtmann gets things under control.  Next year they have a good recruiting class coming in and only lose two guys to graduation, so the team should have much less of a string and bubblegum look.