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Drew4UTk

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Re: Bowl Games SoC
« Reply #476 on: January 02, 2018, 05:14:14 PM »
Quote from: TresselownsUM on January 02, 2018, 03:53:39 PM
As far as the title game I think UGA has a chance because they are more balanced on offense.

I don't think you have to be a great team to stop Alabama. They have 1 WR, no TE, good but not great running backs and they'll run their qb 20 times. If I'm Georgia I'd be pissed if I gave up over 20 to this Bama team.

UGA just needs to run right at them, hit some play action and don't give Bama a short field with turnovers.

It might only take 17 to win.
you DO have to be a great team to stop bama- without qualification.  good but not great RB's?  they have no less than three sitting on the bench that would start @95+% of other schools... UGA run right at them?  there has been one instance this season where a team found success doing that, and that was MSU (though Auburn did it to a degree because of the outside and passing threat).  
it's fairly evident this board wants to talk down bama, but that isn't reality outside of the board.  bama IS all that.  they're not GODs, but they're as good as any other bama team over the years. though i don't like to see two teams from the same conference anymore than anyone else, but.... it's unavoidable now.  tOSU lost terribly to a team that struggled to put down BC in their bowl.  that can't be overlooked no matter how you shake it.  They also lost to a team at the beginning of the season that is equivalent to the team opposite bama right now, as anytime a team goes into OT all they're proving is their lack of being even marginally better than whomever they played into OT.  
bama lost by 12 to a RIVAL team that caught them in bad shape- no excuse, it happened... 12 to a rival away.. tOSU lost by what, 31? to a team they should have beaten by 21+ if they were so good... dropped a game? sure... but to them? and a second loss?  there is no mercy for a two loss team, especially such an ugly loss. it cost you fans that day in early november, and had less to do with pageant than y'all are suggesting.
as it is.... they got this season right as much as i dislike it.  i dislike that bama, a non-conference champion, got off as easy as they did.. they effectively got an extra week, and since the debacle with utah, saban has rarely been out coached.  time is something they will use to their advantage every time.  it's with great fortune they were likely thinking OU moreso than UGA, because OU is far less of a puzzle for a defense like bama fields than UGA.... UGA is MSU and Auburn combined, both of which gave bama fits.  
but anyway, reading a comment like "run right at them" and "you don't have to be a great team to stop bama" screams that whomever is saying such a thing hasn't really watched bama play- or, they focus on flaws and the rare moments when they goofed rather than when they were taking care of business, which was far more often.
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Re: Bowl Games SoC
« Reply #477 on: January 02, 2018, 05:21:29 PM »
Could be a good game, but seems destined to be a low-scoring defensive type fest.  Would have been a great SEC championship game.  Now it's just an also-ran.  
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Re: Bowl Games SoC
« Reply #478 on: January 02, 2018, 05:33:26 PM »
I enjoy low scoring contests and high scoring contests as long as the game is in question into the 4th quarter.
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Re: Bowl Games SoC
« Reply #479 on: January 02, 2018, 05:45:58 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on January 02, 2018, 05:21:29 PM
Could be a good game, but seems destined to be a low-scoring defensive type fest.  Would have been a great SEC championship game.  Now it's just an also-ran.  
agreed.  would have been a great conference championship no doubt about it... it is beyond stupid bama made it in.. the only blame to be placed is on a game that happened november 4th- and choose whichever team you want from that event.  i'd much rather see tOSU playing UGA, but.... damn. 
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Re: Bowl Games SoC
« Reply #480 on: January 03, 2018, 09:27:03 AM »
but anyway, reading a comment like "run right at them" and "you don't have to be a great team to stop bama" screams that whomever is saying such a thing hasn't really watched bama play- or, they focus on flaws and the rare moments when they goofed rather than when they were taking care of business, which was far more often.

let me clarify I guess, or at least try to. I don't mean that you don't have to be a "great team", but I don't think you need a great defense to beat Bama. I don't know many people that think Alabama has a fantastic offense, you're allowed to disagree if you'd like.

The passing offense in my opinion is very average. They do have 1 great WR, but I don't trust Hurts to get him the ball consistently. I think I read the 2nd most catches by any WR on the team is 14 catches? and Bama didn't play a murders row of teams in the regular season, so 14 catches to me seems pretty low. So I would classify this team as fairly 1 dimensional. Now is that 1 dimension good enough to win? Sure, they play Tresselball, great defense, offense don't screw it up, force the other team to get out of their comfort zone. but they only scored 27 on A&M, 31 on Miss St, 14 against Auburn, 24 on LSU, 24 on Clemson. That's enough evidence to me to suggest that Alabama is not going to score 50 on Georgia.

I also tend to think you have a better chance by running "right at bama" vs running on the edges, maybe you disagree with that? but I watched the Clemson game where the CBs were crashing from the sides, I don't think running wide is going to be terribly effective, but if LB is the weakness of the Bama rush D then I think running right at them gives them their best chance. Is Georgias O line up to the challenge, I dunno, maybe it doenst work, but what would you suggest they try? flea flickers?
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Re: Bowl Games SoC
« Reply #481 on: January 03, 2018, 10:05:28 AM »
MSU and Auburn caught bama weak @ LB... UGA won't.  it isn't the LB's that are the problem per say, it's the DLine, where bama is stacked.  if the OLine they face is great, then they push.  the MSU game is inexplicable, where the Auburn game isn't- Auburn drew the LB's into coverage and off tackle and end- and they ran a few up the gut on them because the LB's in that game weren't fresh.  

usually, unless saban has a reason, he doesn't run the score.  he certainly did on vandy- because he needed style points at that point in the season.  he did on Ole Miss, because it's Ole Miss... those are the only two he ran this season.  he could have on CSU, and Mercer, but he reeled the O in running silly conservative- which is what he does when the game is in control.  He doesn't open up and take risks unless he has to, and the D is usually tight enough that he rarely has to... 

last year Clemson played balls out for four quarters- they soundly beat bama (except for that pick play that actually won the game) and that happenstance is rare... swinney straight up presented a game plan and his players executed with full effort the entire game, and that is equal parts having the plan and having the ponies to produce.  clemson literally played like there was no tomorrow- and beat bama straight up.  just about every other instance of beating bama has involved some sort of surprise element or taking advantage of an obvious shortfall somewhere.  

^all of that can be summed up by saying "bama are masters of removing opponents from their game plan".  IF you can remain in form against bama, they can be beat.  a matter of fact, if you've got the ponies and the plan, i'd wager you've got 45/55 shot of doing so..  the advantage still bama because of that damn bench and keeping fresh players in the game with little to no drop off in performance.  

i hope you realize i hate bama. I fully respect them, though. i'd love to see them soundly defeated.  but realistically, there are few teams that routinely have the plan and the ponies to do it... UGA does (their starting D is as good as Bama's when they play like they can ).  tOSU has the ponies and the plan.  I think Wiscy is capable and i'm pretty sure PSU could do it this year.  Clemson had the components but lacked the plans this season... OU could likely have at least kept up, but i've little doubt they'd have scored their seasons low on them.   this isn't to say that Wiscy could have beaten OU, or tOSU could have beaten PSU a second time- it's more opined on 'style of play'.  and insofar as that 'style' is concerned, I'm thinking UGA has the best 'style' to defeat Bama.  We'll see.  
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Re: Bowl Games SoC
« Reply #482 on: January 03, 2018, 10:39:11 AM »
UW's biggest fault this year - all year - was starting slow on both offense and defense. They were able to overcome it against everyone but Ohio State. If you look at the stats, it's pretty stark.

UW scored 96 points in the 1st quarter and gave up 68.

226-121 in the 1st half.

247-74 in the 2nd half.

I don't know if they could overcome a slow start against an Oklahoma type that puts up a lot of points, but maybe they could as OU also doesn't play much defense.

Bama would stifle the run game, just like OSU did, and try to make the QB beat them. It would work, now that Bama is healthy in the front 7. Not sure about Georgia because I don't know much about their front 7. Clemson got pushed around up front at times so I think UW could do that too.
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