Fiesta Bowl: #3 Clemson 29, #2 Ohio State 23 (Postgame)

[FearlessF]

• 1st and goal on the 5, FG
• 1st and goal on the 8, FG
• 1st and 10 on the 11, FG

true, not just redzone, but 1st and goal

[TyphonInc]

I thought Chase Young was great.

2 tackles and 1 qb hurry, doesn't come across as "great" to most.

[MaximumSam]

2 tackles and 1 qb hurry, doesn't come across as "great" to most.

He caved in the line constantly and Clemson really struggled to keep a clean pocket

[TyphonInc]

Been watching replays.

Wade didn't lift his head up on his ejection hit, and by definition that is the rule of targeting. But I'll still argue he wasn't doing the act of targeting, or playing dirty; he didn't launch, lead with his shoulder, and wrapped up, all things they are taught to do.

Also on that play there a serious hands to the face call against Chase Young that went uncalled.


https://twitter.com/KRobPhoto/status/1211117417792851969?s=20

[847badgerfan]

Been watching replays.

Wade didn't lift his head up on his ejection hit, and by definition that is targeting. So, proper call, but I'll still argue he wasn't targeting, or playing dirty; he didn't launch, lead with his shoulder, and wrapped up, all things they are taught to do.

Also on that play there a serious hands to the face call against Chase Young that went uncalled.

I posted that on the bowl stream. Blatant non-call, and would have offset the other personal foul.

Re-play 3rd down (with a Clempsup backup QB). Who knows what happens then.



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[bayareabadger]

Ya and wrong about Burrow/Haskins

I don’t know which aspect of Burrow/Haskins this is about, but it made something pop to mind.

You’re argued several times the height of Burrow or something close to it is what we would’ve seen had he stayed at OSU. So this raises the question, did OSU chose wrong last year?

If Burrow’s so-so stats from last year we’re more about the LSU transition, could one argue that the best QB seasons in conference history could’ve been read as the less good outcome, which would be wild assuming one came at it from that perspective.

[TyphonInc]

If we assign "points" to significant plays, I'm going to argue the Wade targeting was the biggest impact on the game.

Wade Targeting - 14 pts. - turned a punt into a 1st down, replacement player called for PI, lead to Clemson's 1st score; replacement player juked by Lawrence on 2nd TD run.

OSU Red Zone Sputtered - 12 pts. - if those 3 field goals were TDs that's 12 points OSU left in the wind.

Clemson's last drive - 8 pts. - Give the Tigers credit, then earned that last TD + conversion.

Roughing the Kicker - 7 pts. - instead of a punt lead to a Clemson TD

Fumble Score - 7 pts. - Okudah's strip that became an incomplete pass took 7 off for OSU.

Dobbins TD scamper - 7 pts. 

OSU 4th and 2 TD - 7 pts.  


Any other big plays I'm missing?

[MrNubbz]

 So this raises the question, did OSU chose wrong last year?

Tough to say but the whole Burrow/Haskins thing was directed at URBZ man-crush and unrepetant support of JT under center in '16 & '17

[OrangeAfroMan]

Been watching replays.

Wade didn't lift his head up on his ejection hit, and by definition that is targeting. So, proper call, but I'll still argue he wasn't targeting, 

This is a great example of a lack of objectivity.

[FearlessF]

I think he's talking about intent

which of course has no bearing on the call

[Hawkinole]

I am revisiting the replays tonight, especially since I was listening to most of the 3rd & 4th qtr. on the radio.

I understand the targeting call. In fairness to Wade, Trevor Lawrence crouched apparently attempting to take the brunt of the hit in his shoulder rather than in his ribs, but in the process presented his head, and the defender had no time to adjust. It could be argued Lawrence wasn't a defenseless player since he took a defensive measure. Lawrence's defensive measure was poorly calculated, or at least calculated to save his ribs while ignoring his brain. The call could have gone either way but I lean toward targeting, especially if it had been called on the field, which it wasn't. Targeting Video Clip

The catch and a fumble call was correctly called on the field; the replay official changed the result of the game. Who is he? Catch, take three steps while turning and grasping the ball with two hands, and retaining possession until it is forced out. Catch, Forced Fumble, Scoop, Recovery, TD Ohio State

Recommendations: (1) For playoff games if we are going to have a 4-team playoff, refs should come from the conference(s) not in the playoff; i.e. the conference with no skin in the game. (2) The guys  on television as former officials hired as experts on review are generally more credible than actual replay officials. The NCAA and CFP should ask how much the guys on television are paid and match their pay for replay officials, and start taking applications and resumés. The NCAA and CFP are not getting it done in a credible way.

I am concerned about gambling interests. The 1994-95 Northwestern basketball team (5-22) proved you don't have to be good to be beholden to gambling interests and shave points.

The NCAA, or the CFP system, can't have a credible game, if there is incredible officiating.

[847badgerfan]

Some good points there. As for officials in these games...

Enough money is being made. The playoffs (ESecPN) can afford to hire NFL officials since they do not hold any games on NFL dates anyway. That would solve a lot of problems, and lend credibility that is sorely lacking right now.

I'm not going to hold my breath.

[Hawkinole]

Some good points there. As for officials in these games...

Enough money is being made. The playoffs (ESecPN) can afford to hire NFL officials since they do not hold any games on NFL dates anyway. That would solve a lot of problems, and lend credibility that is sorely lacking right now.

I'm not going to hold my breath.

There were also problems in the Iowa - USC game, including replay officiating. It didn't affect the outcome of the game and possibly not even the scoring as Iowa dominated the game notwithstanding resistance from officiating. "They" I don't know who "they" is, need to look into this because the Ohio State - Clemson game was momentous, and let's face it, it was an embarrassing night to be an official.

[847badgerfan]

https://twitter.com/SNFRules/status/1211137879218380800