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Topic: #15 Wisconsin (8-2, 5-2) at Nebraska (4-6, 2-5) Post Game

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Re: #15 Wisconsin (8-2, 5-2) at Nebraska (4-6, 2-5) Post Game
« Reply #42 on: November 17, 2019, 10:04:25 AM »
To be fair, I think he said that only a small percentage of soldiers on the front fired their weapons with the intent of killing (not that they didn't fire them at all). And his work was suspect. And the military converted from training on traditional targets to training with silhouetted targets to break down soldiers' hesitation to shoot at real people. To train effective soldiers, that was an improvement, regardless of the accuracy of SLA Marshall's work.
For one man's well-researched opinion on the various impacts of the marksmanship training the Army implemented to fix the WWII problem, read David Grossman's On Killing: the Psychological Cost of Learning to Kill in War and Society.
It's been updated since I read it over 20 years ago, but some key points that I recall:
  • Using pop-up silhouette targets gets soldiers to shoot more quickly at human shapes.  If they don't shoot quickly, the target disappears
  • This leads to more killing of the enemy, and more killing of people who are not the enemy.
  • This also leads to a higher incidence of psychological damage among those soldiers doing the shooting.  Most people--including most soldiers--do not want to kill other people.  Many of those soldiers will pay a psychological price for the rest of their lives for the killing they did in combat.

I remember watching an episode of the old History Channel Dogfights series.  Willie Driscoll, who was Randy "Duke" Cunningham's back-seater when they became the only U.S. Navy aces in the Vietnam War, was talking about his meeting with an ace from World War I.  He asked the guy if he still had nightmares, and the old man replied, "Every night."
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Re: #15 Wisconsin (8-2, 5-2) at Nebraska (4-6, 2-5) Post Game
« Reply #43 on: November 17, 2019, 12:29:58 PM »
This win was nice.

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Re: #15 Wisconsin (8-2, 5-2) at Nebraska (4-6, 2-5) Post Game
« Reply #44 on: November 17, 2019, 12:38:35 PM »
It was good to see them get a road win - first one since August!!
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Re: #15 Wisconsin (8-2, 5-2) at Nebraska (4-6, 2-5) Post Game
« Reply #45 on: November 17, 2019, 06:53:36 PM »
Congrats on the win, Badgers

I thought the Huskers could possibly make it a game into the 2nd half, but that kickoff return for the TD took the air out of the game.

I didn't attend the game or see too much of it as I was busy hosting a party, but some say the Huskers showed some fight and didn't play terribly.
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Re: #15 Wisconsin (8-2, 5-2) at Nebraska (4-6, 2-5) Post Game
« Reply #46 on: November 18, 2019, 04:38:56 PM »
For one man's well-researched opinion on the various impacts of the marksmanship training the Army implemented to fix the WWII problem, read David Grossman's On Killing: the Psychological Cost of Learning to Kill in War and Society.
It's been updated since I read it over 20 years ago...
I have a first edition copy. Grossman was still on active duty and a speaker at my ROTC advanced course at Fort Lewis when he first published it. Inspirational guy--also did some sweet Australian rappelling for us.

Badgers' win wasn't especially inspiring. Taylor is a beast, still. Defense left a lot to be desired. They will have to play a lot better to win in Minneapolis.

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Re: #15 Wisconsin (8-2, 5-2) at Nebraska (4-6, 2-5) Post Game
« Reply #47 on: November 18, 2019, 05:00:28 PM »
493 yards of offense and 21 points

seems to be a pattern

just score a couple more times and at least could have given the Badgers a game
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