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Topic: #15 Wisconsin (2-1, 4-2) at #12 Michigan (4-0, 6-1) Post Game

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Re: #15 Wisconsin (2-1, 4-2) at #12 Michigan (4-0, 6-1) Post Game
« Reply #182 on: October 14, 2018, 12:32:19 PM »
 Two helmets making contact should not be targeting. Touching a long snapper should not be a personal foul. There’s safety and there’s pushing us to flag football.
Seems a lot of normal contact that's unavoidable is being flagged with absolutely no malicious intent
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Re: #15 Wisconsin (2-1, 4-2) at #12 Michigan (4-0, 6-1) Post Game
« Reply #183 on: October 14, 2018, 12:36:57 PM »
Really glad about the environment last night, too. Excited to be at the PSU game in 3 weeks. Another night game? Michigan has never hosted two in a season, but I'm hunching that ends now.

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Re: #15 Wisconsin (2-1, 4-2) at #12 Michigan (4-0, 6-1) Post Game
« Reply #184 on: October 14, 2018, 12:38:00 PM »

I think it's about position. To long snap, you're looking between your legs, head down. If someone jumps on you, they'll basically bend you in half or launch right through you.

I get why it's a call and it probably should be. (I mostly don't mind the punter rules either TBH)
Well in a sense the snapper is defenseless sort of blindsiding from a different angle
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Re: #15 Wisconsin (2-1, 4-2) at #12 Michigan (4-0, 6-1) Post Game
« Reply #185 on: October 14, 2018, 12:38:11 PM »
I neither understood passing in that situation, nor punting. Was very happy about the pass rush against the UW OL despite Gary being out. Not sure which OL and DL you're referencing here, though. Maybe I'll see if there's a torrent up that the copyright vultures haven't chased down yet.
20:43 here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utzNMnFe6-w&t=1251s
It's Lawrence Marshall (I think), pushing Michael Dieter back. Not that it made or didn't make the play, as the QB should've made it, but perhaps it contributes. Two runs there would've been nice, but PC can be conservative in terms of not running with 3 or 4 to go, and he's had a few pass on third down, punt too close moments this year. 

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Re: #15 Wisconsin (2-1, 4-2) at #12 Michigan (4-0, 6-1) Post Game
« Reply #186 on: October 14, 2018, 12:58:07 PM »
Also, this has to be said too. Paul Chryst and Joe Rudolph had a really bad day with play calls and decisions. The running game was working and they got away from it too soon in my opinion. Of course, there were times when the game called for passing plays (after it went to 21-7) but before that? Taylor only had 17 carries and Deal had only 1. That's not Wisconsin football.
This is interesting. Pass/run stuff is usually a combination of style/situation. UW tends to be hype-run heavy on running downs, pass heavy on passing downs. So here's the down/distance for every pass before 21-7.
3rd and 5
1st and 10 (A nice play-action rollout for 12 yards)
2nd and 9
1st and 10 (Play action that gets open but Alex has to move and misses, helps end drive)
3rd and 3 (Set up by a mishandled 2nd and 1 snap)
1st and 10 with 4 minutes left (Big play action where Alex seems to want too much)
2nd and 7 (With 2:30 left in the half)
3rd and 12
At halftime, USC has 17 rushes to seven passes, though it was really more like 15 to 8 with that messed up snap.
So looking at those eight passes, you have three pure passing situations, two in a sort of gray area (2nd and 7 after a run with 2:30 left and the third and 3 where PC can be dicy on running) and three 1st down, pass off the run situations. 

All of it was sort of logical, with some room for debate on the last three. One issue is UW only getting 24 first-half plays and then being down 14 the rest of the way. 

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Re: #15 Wisconsin (2-1, 4-2) at #12 Michigan (4-0, 6-1) Post Game
« Reply #187 on: October 14, 2018, 01:01:12 PM »
20:43 here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utzNMnFe6-w&t=1251s
It's Lawrence Marshall (I think), pushing Michael Dieter back. 
Wow. Marshall is much improved this year, but I never expect plays like that against even mediocre competition. That's close to the snap of his year. He's the bottom lineman in the rotation. Like you said, hard to tell the effect it had. I have noticed, though, that Hornibrook gets nervous when things close in. That's the only kind of effect it could have had here - psychological.

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Re: #15 Wisconsin (2-1, 4-2) at #12 Michigan (4-0, 6-1) Post Game
« Reply #188 on: October 14, 2018, 01:32:39 PM »
Wow. Marshall is much improved this year, but I never expect plays like that against even mediocre competition. That's close to the snap of his year. He's the bottom lineman in the rotation. Like you said, hard to tell the effect it had. I have noticed, though, that Hornibrook gets nervous when things close in. That's the only kind of effect it could have had here - psychological.
It looks to me like Hornibrook has to lean a hint with those two in his space. If they get a better angle, perhaps we'll know for sure. 

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Re: #15 Wisconsin (2-1, 4-2) at #12 Michigan (4-0, 6-1) Post Game
« Reply #189 on: October 14, 2018, 04:44:17 PM »
On Hornibrook, from Bill Connelly:

"For most of the last two seasons, he has been one of the country’s more underrated passers. He finished 2017 with a 148.6 passer rating, top-25 in FBS. He struggled earlier this year in the upset loss to BYU, but his passer rating heading into Saturday was still 151.7.
Hornibrook’s passer rating on Saturday night in Ann Arbor during a 38-13 Michigan win: 73.5. Before a garbage-time touchdown drive, it was 9.2.
Nine point two! In Michigan backup quarterback Dylan McCaffrey’s first snap of the evening, he gained 44 yards on a touchdown run. Third-stringer Joe Milton ripped off a 23-yarder late. But in his first 15 pass and rush attempts of the evening, Hornibrook netted 12 yards. "
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Re: #15 Wisconsin (2-1, 4-2) at #12 Michigan (4-0, 6-1) Post Game
« Reply #190 on: October 14, 2018, 06:12:03 PM »
I was a little surprised we didn't see another QB for UW last night. Why not get someone else a few snaps in a meaningless 4th quarter? After the pick 6 even. It was over before then.
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Re: #15 Wisconsin (2-1, 4-2) at #12 Michigan (4-0, 6-1) Post Game
« Reply #191 on: October 14, 2018, 06:16:48 PM »
I was a little surprised we didn't see another QB for UW last night. Why not get someone else a few snaps in a meaningless 4th quarter? After the pick 6 even. It was over before then.
It's weird. When Chryst started punting around the end of the 3rd Q (can't remember whether it was just before or after), I really thought that was white flag waving. But when he came back later on that garbage time drive and then finished with an onsides kick, it was clear he never gave up. He just thought punting was the right choice. I disagree with him there, but this makes the punts more palatable. And probably explains why he never put in another QB. Because that'd have been a quitting move.

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Re: #15 Wisconsin (2-1, 4-2) at #12 Michigan (4-0, 6-1) Post Game
« Reply #192 on: October 15, 2018, 04:17:23 AM »
Wisconsin’s OL and RB are very NFL good.  I thought they might take over early in the game. Michigan DE Winovich thought he was being held and complained frequently and emphatically to the ref but it was never called.  

Wisconsin had a lot of dropped balls so if your gonna crucify Hornibrook you should probably give him some company.  

Michigan chewing clock late in the 3rd and on reminded me of Badger ball.  Playing “Jump Around” on the stadium noise machine late in the 4th was hilarious.

Wisconsin is still in driver’s seat in West.  Best chance for Badgers to pick up another loss are road games at PSU and NW who always seem to give the Badgers a hard time.  Iowa has those two plus Maryland.  



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Re: #15 Wisconsin (2-1, 4-2) at #12 Michigan (4-0, 6-1) Post Game
« Reply #193 on: October 15, 2018, 08:38:50 AM »
The whole team (except Taylor) was bad Saturday. Hornibrook is getting torched on boards and social media, but his coaches, receivers and tight ends did him no favors.



Just read an article about the secondary. 5 of the 8 players UW broke camp with did not play Saturday, including all 4 starters.
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Re: #15 Wisconsin (2-1, 4-2) at #12 Michigan (4-0, 6-1) Post Game
« Reply #194 on: October 15, 2018, 08:45:45 AM »
Dixon didn't play?
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Re: #15 Wisconsin (2-1, 4-2) at #12 Michigan (4-0, 6-1) Post Game
« Reply #195 on: October 15, 2018, 08:55:17 AM »
No, he tried to give it a go in warmups and couldn't do it. He injured his foot late in the UNL game.
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