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I guess most people think differently. Might be time to just accept that and move on. 

Majority rules, of course.  I just thought the guy who could run and pass would beat the one-dimensional guys.

no.. you just don't like it others have a different opinion than you.... on one of your favorite players.  You want someone to justify "why" yet you disregard the justification by suggesting it's stupid or not valid. 

it's a vote during the offseason that has zero meaning, yet you're acting like a child.  

agreed, Brees can still run pretty well for his age in the NFL

well, if he could run & pass really well, he wouldn't be playing baseball

Here, again - you're conflicting college with pro.  Why are so many people allergic to judging a player by what he actually did on the field???

I guess most people think differently. Might be time to just accept that and move on.

A - feel free to ignore this thread, lol
B - Of course most people think differently, the vote showed that.  But I'm getting into the 'why' behind it and enjoying the conversation.
Am I the only one around here that likes a debate?  It may be difficult to see it in a web forum instead of in person, but I'm not this desperate, emotional wreck, clinging on to the last string of Tebow's greatness, needing to be validated.  I'm just having a fun college football discussion.  I don't care if Tebow was voted best or not.  To be honest, I have a much higher affinity for Wuerffel and the mid-90s Gators.  
I may seem homerish, but have I not supplied evidence over a series of posts touting Gordon over Ismail for #25?  I don't care about Gordon, but what he did was amazing.  It's all just for fun, people!

Here, again - you're conflicting college with pro.  Why are so many people allergic to judging a player by what he actually did on the field???

I think there is some relevance if your argument is that he was just a cog in the Urban offensive machine.

Exactly. 

Josh Harris (BGSU):
2001: 60.9 avg (low attempts), 7.7 y/a, 9/3 TD:Int. 126 rushes for 614 yds (4.9 avg), 8 TDs
2002: 56.1 avg, 6.9 y/a, 19/11 TD:Int. 186 rush for 737 yds (4.0 avg), 20 TDs. 

Alex Smith (Utah):
2003: 65%, 8.4 y/a, 15/3 TD:Int. 149 rushes for 452 yds (3.0 avg), 5 TD.
2004: 67.5%, 9.3 y/a, 32/4 TD:Int. 135 rushes for 631 yds (4.7 avg), 10 TD.

Chris Leak (Florida):
2005: 62.8%, 7.1 y/a, 20/6 TD:Int. Terrible rushing numbers.
2006: 63.6%, 8.1 y/a, 23/13 TD:Int. Terrible rushing numbers.

Tim Tebow (Florida):
2006: 66.7% (limited [33] attempts), 10.8 y/a, 5/1 TD:Int. 89 rush, 469 yds (5.3 avg), 8 TDs
2007: 66.9%, 9.4 y/a, 32/6 TD:Int. 210 rush for 895 yds (4.3 avg), 23 TDs
2008: 64.4%, 9.2 y/a, 30/4 TD:Int. 176 rush for 673 yds (3.8 avg), 12 TDs
2009: 67.8%, 9.2 y/a, 21/5 TD:Int. 217 rush for 910 yds (4.2 avg), 14 TDs

John Brantley (Florida):
2010: 60.8%, 6.3 y/a, 9/10 TD:Int. Negative rushing numbers.

Braxton Miller (OSU):
2012: 58.3%, 8.0 y/a, 15/6 TD:Int. 227 rush for 1271 yds (5.6 avg), 13 TDs
2013: 63.5%, 8.2 y/a, 24/7 TD:Int. 171 rush for 1068 yds (6.2 avg), 12 TDs

J.T. Barrett (OSU):
2014: 64.6%, 9.0 y/a, 34/10 TD:Int. 171 rush for 938 yds (5.5 avg), 11 TDs
2015: 63.3%, 6.7 y/a, 11/4 TD:Int. 115 rush, 682 yds (5.9 avg), 11 TDs
2015*: 62.3%, 8.3 y/a, 8/5 TD:Int. 72 rush, 296 yds (4.1), 1 TD
2016: 61.5%, 6.7 y/a, 24/7 TD:Int. 205 rush, 845 yds (4.1 avg), 9 TDs
2017: 64.7%, 8.2 y/a, 35/9 TD:Int. 165 rush, 798 yds (4.8 avg), 12 TDs

* Cardale Jones

You can see that Urban Meyer gets a LOT out of his quarterbacks. While Tebow had the highest completion percentage, Alex Smith also had very high completion percentage, y/a, and similarly strong TD:Int ratios. He had comparable rushing averages at least in 2004. Barrett is probably the second-best comparison. He had slightly lower (but not bad) completion percentages, and slightly worse y/a and TD:Int ratio. Probably on the whole a better rushing game as ypc is concerned. 

Of the others, Harris was obviously a running QB only. Leak was a passing QB only. Miller was able to do both, didn't pass as well as Tebow but a better runner. 

So you have to look at Tebow in context. Yes, his stats were good. But so were JT Barrett's. And so were Alex Smith's. You ask yourself if Tebow was the cause of the success and stats he put up, or was it Urban Meyer's system. 

By the stats above you could even make an argument that Tebow is the best QB that Urban Meyer ever had. But has he separated himself so far from others in the same system that he's the best player to EVER wear #15 in the history of college football? I'm not so sure.

As for the comparison to the NFL question, I think it's worth looking at. Not at whether we should grade Tebow in college based upon his NFL career [or lack thereof], but that future success [or lack thereof] can help put his college career in context.

If a player doesn't shake out at the next level, sometimes it's a matter of their game simply not translating. I think for Tommie Frazier, that was probably the case. There wasn't a huge market for option QBs in the NFL. But as you pointed out, Tebow's passing stats were better than Brees'. So clearly it's not that he can't throw the ball, right?

But it highlights the situation that a lot of college QBs who put up gaudy stats see. While Urban Meyer isn't an Air Raid guy, you see the Air Raid QBs every year who put up silly stats in college but never do anything at the next level. It makes you wonder whether the success and stats of those QBs were due to their overwhelming skill, or whether it was due to the "system". 

What I'm saying is that Tebow's success in college and his lack of success in the NFL might just be that he's a "system QB" at heart. He was a pretty good system QB, but that means that Urban Meyer and his offense takes some of the credit for those gaudy stats. 

At that point, you have to look at to some extent the "eye test". We can argue all day whether it comes down to Brees, or Frazier, or Tebow when you are comparing it via the eye test, because we all have biased eyes there. But then, you are on a B1G board, so you can reasonably expect that those of us who are fans of Purdue or Nebraska [or simply more familiar with our own conference mates] might be a little biased. 

But it's not like bias is ALL of it. As you can see above, I can make a credible argument for discounting the Tebow argument at least as it relies on stats themselves. Because there are three things in this world: lies, damn lies, and statistics