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Topic: #15 Run-off Tiebreaker Vote

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Hoss

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Re: #15 Run-off Tiebreaker Vote
« Reply #14 on: June 28, 2018, 12:54:09 PM »
Maybe Tom could have called 10 bubble passes a game to run up those passing efficiency numbers as well? LOL


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Re: #15 Run-off Tiebreaker Vote
« Reply #15 on: June 28, 2018, 01:17:24 PM »
Really?  10 a game?  I think you're thinking of
a - Florida under Ron Zook, or
b - Tim Couch of Kentucky

I make points with evidence, and the response is silliness.  Tebow didn't have lots of rushing TDs to pad his stats.  He had them because his coach was smart.  And if his TDs were so easy to come by, why hadn't anyone ever done it before?
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Re: #15 Run-off Tiebreaker Vote
« Reply #16 on: June 28, 2018, 01:21:22 PM »
TO should have had Frazier complete more jump passes...

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Re: #15 Run-off Tiebreaker Vote
« Reply #17 on: June 28, 2018, 01:28:29 PM »
:72:  brilliant
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Re: #15 Run-off Tiebreaker Vote
« Reply #18 on: June 28, 2018, 01:37:04 PM »
=)

On an SEC board, the results would be the opposite.    It really matters little in the end that you are wrong and we are right..... heh

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Re: #15 Run-off Tiebreaker Vote
« Reply #19 on: June 28, 2018, 02:26:55 PM »

I make points with evidence, and the response is silliness.  
You made your points, and the results were a decision in favor of Tommie Lamont Frazier. 
You'd have to ask each individual what else Tim could have done to garner their vote but I can tell you that, for the clear majority of them, the answer doesn't lie in the stats. 

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Re: #15 Run-off Tiebreaker Vote
« Reply #20 on: June 28, 2018, 03:18:50 PM »
OAM, just thought you should know, I went with Tebow. :-)

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Re: #15 Run-off Tiebreaker Vote
« Reply #21 on: June 28, 2018, 03:55:00 PM »
Me too.
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Re: #15 Run-off Tiebreaker Vote
« Reply #22 on: June 28, 2018, 04:46:37 PM »
Are we gonna have to start talking about pies on this thread?

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Re: #15 Run-off Tiebreaker Vote
« Reply #23 on: June 28, 2018, 06:41:54 PM »
=)

On an SEC board, the results would be the opposite.    It really matters little in the end that you are wrong and we are right..... heh
Imagine a world with objectivity.....whoa.  
I'm happily going along with the results here, it doesn't matter to me.  I guess I'm trying to explore the thought processes of other people.  I'm not complaining about anything, I'm actually wanting to lose a debate.  But I'm afraid that's not likely in the case of #15.  
It does drive me crazy when something occurs in which I don't understand and I'm given nothing better than a "just because."   Brees and Frazier voters weren't influenced by stats?  Great.  What were they influenced by?  When a player with better passing outcomes than one guy and more beneficial rushing outcomes than another guy is passed over by 62.5% of the voters, yeah, I'm curious about the 'why'.  lol

This is all for fun.  I'm not butt hurt by it, I'm simply not afraid to explore it further.  It doesn't matter, none of this matters, but if continuing this discussion can help me learn something new, then of course I'll keep it going.
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Re: #15 Run-off Tiebreaker Vote
« Reply #24 on: June 29, 2018, 03:16:37 PM »
I saw Frazier up close and watch him lead the team I love.. I saw him in the offense as a starter and I saw the same offense when he was out with a blood clot.   I can't think of any QB I've seen I'd want to lead my team over Frazier.  He was a winner.  He made UNL's offense go from good/great to special.   He was the heart of that team.  He even did the little things to win.. he was a complete player.  And he had amazing stats while missing a complete year.  

I 'm sure you'd say the same about Tebow.   But you asked who we each thought was better.  I'd take Frazier over Tebow.   I wouldn't hesitate.    If it was about only stats, Troy Davis would get more votes... yet I doubt anyone complains when he gets zero.
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Re: #15 Run-off Tiebreaker Vote
« Reply #25 on: June 29, 2018, 03:28:55 PM »
 more beneficial rushing outcomes than another guy 
Rushing (again):
Frazier -  5.7 ypc, 
Tebow  -  4.3 ypc, 
depends on the stats you're focused on
Frazier wasn't my favorite Husker QB, I preferred Turner Gill and Gerry Gdowski
Tom Osborne said Gerry Gdowski "played as well as any quarterback" he'd had at Nebraska. 
But, as was mentioned upstream - Frazier made the clutch plays, rose to the occasion,  and willed his team to win against the odds.  Going into a big game, there's no one else I'd rather have run the option offense.
not even Timmy Tebow
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Re: #15 Run-off Tiebreaker Vote
« Reply #26 on: June 29, 2018, 03:30:35 PM »
  Brees and Frazier voters weren't influenced by stats?  Great.  What were they influenced by?  When a player with better passing outcomes than one guy and more beneficial rushing outcomes than another guy is passed over by 62.5% of the voters, yeah, I'm curious about the 'why'.  lol
If I was purely influenced by stats, I'd think Curtis Painter was a better QB than Brees. But that's just ridiculous. Brees was exciting to watch. Brees made his team better. Brees wasn't perfect, but you knew that with him as QB, the team always had a chance, no matter the opponent. Curtis Painter racked up some amazing stats, and broke some of Brees' records. But he did so by torching MAC and bad B1G teams, and falling all over himself against the best competition on the schedule. 
Some stats are influenced by system [Brees' certainly are to some extent, Painter's definitely were]. When you're talking about "best to play the position", a lot more than stats come into it. I.e. when we talked about JT Barrett vs Drew Brees, you pointed out stats. But perhaps that just means that in Urban Meyer's system, the QB racks up stats even more than in Tiller's system. Alex Smith had some pretty good stats too...
For me, Tebow just never really "wowed" me as a QB. He was an outstanding overall football player, and very versatile. But I just never really saw him as the game-changer that everyone else apparently did. I saw him more as a cog in the Urban Meyer machine.

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Re: #15 Run-off Tiebreaker Vote
« Reply #27 on: June 29, 2018, 06:22:36 PM »
this QB had a few rushing TDs - not the best OU qb

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