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Topic: #14 Penn State (3-3, 6-3) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 8-1) Post Game

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Re: #14 Penn State (3-3, 6-3) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 8-1) Post Game
« Reply #98 on: November 05, 2018, 10:26:03 AM »
Uche is assembling a Bosa-level sack rate. 

Michigan has been putting together very high end DLs for a long time now, but a guy with sack rates like this has never been a part of those rosters. Dude is SO fast.
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Re: #14 Penn State (3-3, 6-3) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 8-1) Post Game
« Reply #99 on: November 05, 2018, 11:47:15 AM »
I was anticipating Michigan would win. I did not expect a blowout. Dominating performance by Michigan. Congrats.
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Re: #14 Penn State (3-2, 6-2) at #5 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) Game Week
« Reply #100 on: November 05, 2018, 11:49:23 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on November 02, 2018, 08:07:42 AM
247 Team rankings for recruiting - PSU (composite):

2018     6th
2017    15th
2016    20th
2015    14th

I guess 6th is "dramatically" up from the midteens, maybe.  But it's one year.

2019 thus far 13th, which perhaps suggests the 2018 year might be an anomaly, and midteens is more likely.  
2018     6th
2017     15th
2016     20th
2015     14th
2014     24th
2013     33rd
2012     47th
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Re: #14 Penn State (3-3, 6-3) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 8-1) Post Game
« Reply #101 on: November 05, 2018, 11:58:19 AM »
These are all classes that participated on Franklin’s big ten championship team or later. If you don’t see a dramatic trend there I don’t know what to tell you.
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Re: #14 Penn State (3-3, 6-3) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 8-1) Post Game
« Reply #102 on: November 05, 2018, 12:02:54 PM »
So the Penn State faithful are all OK with Franklin going forward?
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Re: #14 Penn State (3-3, 6-3) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 8-1) Post Game
« Reply #103 on: November 05, 2018, 12:11:01 PM »
I don’t speak for all Penn State faithful. I am more than ok with Franklin going forward. Seems to me he has done a lot more with a lot less than Harbaugh. That gap is very quickly disappearing. We’ll see what the future holds.
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Re: #14 Penn State (3-3, 6-3) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 8-1) Post Game
« Reply #104 on: November 05, 2018, 12:13:14 PM »
At their current institutions that is. I have a lot of trouble reconciling the Harbaugh of Stanford and San Fran with the one from Michigan.
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Re: #14 Penn State (3-3, 6-3) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 8-1) Post Game
« Reply #105 on: November 05, 2018, 04:21:28 PM »
Michigan is in good shape with Tarik Black and Rashan Gary back. The offensive line trajectory has been extraordinary this season. Shea looks good. His pocket presence and deep ball could use some work though. The defensive depth is incredible. Beyond the two corners and Bush, most guys are sharing snaps. Penn State only ran 40 or so plays from scrimmage. Its easy to have a high motor playing 20 - 25 snaps a game. Seeing guys like Uche and Paye advance tells a positive story for the next few years too.

Next year will be the telltale year for Franklin. No Barkley, no McSorley. How does he move the program ahead with the next wave of talent? The Moorhead departure has had clear effects, as witnessed in the Michigan and Michigan State games. Tommy Stevens looks like an absolute bull, but if he cant sling it, the one dimensional offense will be in deep trouble against the upper half of the B1G.  
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Re: #14 Penn State (3-3, 6-3) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 8-1) Post Game
« Reply #106 on: November 05, 2018, 04:32:29 PM »
Penn State and Franklin are fine.  Not sure why they would be wanting his head.  They lost a lot of talent and a great playcaller and *shocking twist* aren't as good as last year.
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Re: #14 Penn State (3-3, 6-3) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 8-1) Post Game
« Reply #107 on: November 05, 2018, 05:22:32 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on November 05, 2018, 04:32:29 PM
Penn State and Franklin are fine.  Not sure why they would be wanting his head.  They lost a lot of talent and a great playcaller and *shocking twist* aren't as good as last year.
I think the 3 - 12 record against coaches named Meyer, Dantonio and Harbaugh is the biggest concern. It is hard to win the division if you cant climb that mountain 50-60% of the time. 
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Re: #14 Penn State (3-3, 6-3) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 8-1) Post Game
« Reply #108 on: November 06, 2018, 04:34:24 PM »
Franklin's challenge is to prove he can do it without Joe Moorehead:

Without: 20-15 (0.571); 14-12, before; 6-3, after
With: 22-5 (0.815)

That's a wee ugly. Now, I think it's fair (moreso logically than practically) to question whether Moorehead made Franklin or vice versa. As if Franklin was ramping up to go roughly 22-5 (2016-17) no matter what, and we're over-interpreting the Moorehead correlation as a Moorehead cause. Who am I to call that technically plausible thing absolutely impossible?

However, given (1) Moorehead's preceding reputation, (2) Franklin's in-game confusion in all seasons and even the observation  that, perhaps, (3) had BO'B stayed, he had PSU on a steeper trajectory than the 7-6s that JF accomplished in the pre-JMo years, I'd be skeptical and not bet the house on JF if I were PSU.
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Re: #14 Penn State (3-3, 6-3) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 8-1) Post Game
« Reply #109 on: November 06, 2018, 04:57:25 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on November 05, 2018, 04:32:29 PM
Penn State and Franklin are fine.  Not sure why they would be wanting his head.  They lost a lot of talent and a great playcaller and *shocking twist* aren't as good as last year.
well the guy is 1-4 vs Michigan, 1-4 vs Ohio State, 1-4 vs Michigan State. Combined total 3-12.
He's 0-12 in true road games vs ranked opponents. He's lost those games by an average margin of 22.5 points.
He's terrible at managing the clock and game situations. His special teams continually suck. He's been pretty mediocre there before and after Joe Moorehead.
Doesn't look good for him. I think he's going to be on the hot seat starting next year.
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Re: #14 Penn State (3-3, 6-3) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 8-1) Post Game
« Reply #110 on: November 06, 2018, 05:04:45 PM »
I'm guessing there's zero chance he's fired until after the 2020 season. And *maybe* prolonging it until December 2022, though that isn't my bet.
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Re: #14 Penn State (3-3, 6-3) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 8-1) Post Game
« Reply #111 on: November 07, 2018, 02:29:17 PM »
The guy that needs to go is the Offensive Coordinator.  his playcalling has been terrible.  Franklin can avoid the hotseat by replacing him.
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