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Topic: B1G Power Rankings, Preseason

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mcwterps1

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Preseason
« Reply #42 on: August 24, 2019, 10:42:51 PM »
I don't know. I really don't. 

I do know, Durkin had several top 25 classes in a row, and this should be the year for a breakout.

Just run the ball. 

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Preseason
« Reply #43 on: August 26, 2019, 11:29:40 AM »
Just a quick update on where the votes are so far:

  • 1.72 Michigan Range 1-3
  • 1.78 Ohio State Range 1-5
  • 4.89 Penn State Range 3-9
  • 5.06 Michigan State Range 3-10
  • 5.89 Wisconsin Range 2-10
  • 5.89 Iowa Range 2-11
  • 6.72 Nebraska Range 1-10
  • 7.11 Northwestern Range 3-11
  • 7.50 Minnesota Range 4-10
  • 9.11 Purdue Range 5-11
  • 10.83 Maryland Range 8-13
  • 11.56 Indiana Range 10-12
  • 13.00 Illinois Range 12-14
  • 13.94 Rutgers Range 13-14

On First Place:  Michigan and Ohio State are thisclose together.  I think half of the new votes have caused these two to swap.  Michigan currently leads but when I drop the high and low Ohio State will take over because Michigan is only up by one point and Ohio State has lower low votes (5th vs 3rd).  

While there is a LOT of debate about the order, nearly all of us agree that the Wolverines and Buckeyes are the top two.  Out of 18 voters so far, only three do not have both of those two teams in their top-2.  

There is almost no debate at the bottom.  17 of 18 voters have Rutgers last and the other voter has them 13th.  There is almost as much unanimity regarding Illinois.  16 of 18 of us have them 13th with the other two votes for 12th and 14th.  We are also pretty much agreed on Indiana.  12 of 18 voters have them 12th with the other six all ranking them 10th or 11th.  

Outside of the top two and bottom three where there is a pretty strong consensus, we seem to be very unsure.  The other nine teams all have voting ranges of at least five (Maryland, 8-13) and as many as nine (Iowa 2-11 and UNL 1-10).  


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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Preseason
« Reply #44 on: August 26, 2019, 11:40:12 AM »
Here it is ranked by the standard deviation:


The teams we are the least sure of are four B1G-W teams:

  • Wisconsin:  votes range from 2-10
  • Iowa:  votes range from 2-11
  • Nebraska:  votes range from 1-10
  • Northwestern:  votes range from 3-11

Then there is MSU where I think most of us feel like their defense will be one of the best in the league (if not nation) while the offense will likely be one of the worst in the league (if not nation).  

medinabuckeye1

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Preseason
« Reply #45 on: August 26, 2019, 01:04:12 PM »
Votes through @Brutus Buckeye , 18 voters:

Drop the high and low vote for each team:


Schedule/performance chart:


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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Preseason
« Reply #46 on: August 26, 2019, 01:14:51 PM »
A word on the charts and then on schedules:

The first graph is displayed to illustrate that while we do a ranking, the gaps are far from uniform.  Depending on whether or not you drop the high and low, either Ohio State or Michigan is #1 and the other is #2 but really, they are effectively tied either way.  Then you have a big gap, then PSU/MSU are effectively tied, etc.  

The second graph shows a distribution of the votes.  You can really see here that from #3 to #11 we really have no consensus at all.  

Personally, I think the Schedule/Performance Chart is the most useful thing I have displayed here.  Later in the season I rely on it heavily in making my vote.  Ie, I believe that a team that is 0-3 with close losses to #1, #2, and #3 should probably be ranked #4 or #5 or possibly even higher if the losses were on the road.  On the other hand, a team that is 3-0 with close wins over #14, #13, and #12 should probably be ranked #11 or #10 or possibly even lower if the wins were at home.  

One thing that I think people often fail to consider is that HFA is not the same for all teams.  What I mean is that if you are one of the top teams, you want the other top teams at home (where you'll get the HFA that you might need to beat them) and the bad teams on the road (because you should beat them no matter where the game is played).  Conversely, if you are one of the bottom teams you want the opposite.  

If you look at the chart there is a diagonal line of cells with "n/a" in them running from top-left (tOSU/tOSU) to bottom right (RU/RU).  What would be theoretically best for each team is to have as many home games as close to that diagonal line as possible.  

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Preseason
« Reply #47 on: August 27, 2019, 03:51:31 PM »
More thoughts on schedules:  I thought this was interesting:

  • #1 plays at #2 (tOSU at M, 11/30)
  • #2 plays at #3 (M at PSU, 10/19)
  • #3 plays at #4 (PSU at MSU, 10/26)
  • #4 misses #5 but plays at #6 (MSU at UW, 10/12)
  • #5 plays at #6 (IA at UW, 11/9)
  • #6 plays at #7 (UW at UNL, 11/16)
  • #7 hosts #8 but plays at #9 (UNL at MN, 10/12)
  • #9 plays at #10 (MN at PU, 9/28)

That is a whole lot of games where the theoretically superior team is on the road against a theoretically slightly inferior team and where HFA is likely to be the difference.  


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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Preseason
« Reply #48 on: August 27, 2019, 04:02:17 PM »


1) Michigan
2) Ohio State
3) Wisconsin
4) Penn State
5) Iowa
6) Michigan State
7) Nebraska
8) Purdue
9) Northwestern
10) Minnesota
11) Maryland
12) Indiana
13) Illinois
14) Rutgers


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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Preseason
« Reply #49 on: August 27, 2019, 04:06:10 PM »
Here it is ranked by the standard deviation:


I prefer this ranking
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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Preseason
« Reply #50 on: August 29, 2019, 10:03:52 AM »
1. Michigan
2. Ohio State
3. Nebraska
4. Northwestern
5. Michigan State
6. Minnesota
7. Penn State
8. Wisconsin
9. Iowa
10. Indiana
11. Purdue
12. Maryland
13. Illinois
14. Rutgers


I actually have no idea what will happen and I think this entire thread ought to be pinned so we all know how ridiculous either I am, or the rest of you appear. I guarantee the teams will prove most of us are substantially, wrong.
I am now more optimistic for Iowa's 2019 chances. Michigan transfer WR Oliver Martin was declared eligible to play this season. The past 4-5 years Iowa has been a bit down in the WR department. QB Nate Stanley's senior season should now be a bit better.

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Preseason
« Reply #51 on: August 29, 2019, 12:05:29 PM »
FWIW:
 @Mdot21 's vote changed things only slightly:


  • After dropping the high and low, tOSU and M are now tied for first/second.  
  • Wisconsin passed Iowa for 5th place moving Iowa back to 6th.  

I use the scores AFTER dropping the high and low votes for my continuing chart so if there are no additional votes we will start out with a tie for first place.  


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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Preseason
« Reply #52 on: December 02, 2019, 01:37:12 AM »
My most accurate preseason prediction was how ridiculous my projections would look. 

My two best projected teams in the BTW were the two worst in the BTW in my final rankings. I thought Michigan would break through. No, Michigan did not break through.

I got Rutgers right.

As a group we were better; but as a group we thought the BTE had the 4-best teams which did not turn out to be correct.

 

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