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medinabuckeye1

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Re: 12 team playoff
« Reply #28 on: June 24, 2021, 11:37:34 AM »
I'm pretty easy going, obviously, so I'm not going to get hot and b'thered by it, but I suspect we'll have some unintended consequences.

And of course whoever is 13th will complain.

Have we considered the impact on the bowl games, the more important but below top variants like Cap One, or whatever it is today?

I guess they didn't matter that much anyway.  What will likely be the "best" bowl game now?
Per my OP on this, in 2019 the top 11 teams and #15 (AAC Champ Memphis) would be in the expanded playoff.  The remaining ranked teams would thus be:
  • #12 Utah, 11-2 coming off PACCG loss to Oregon
  • #13 Penn State, 10-2
  • #14 Notre Dame, 10-2
  • #16 Minnesota, 10-2
  • #17 Michigan, 9-3
  • #18 Boise State, 12-1 MWC Champion
  • #19 Iowa, 9-3
  • #20 ApSt, 12-1 SunBelt Champion
  • #21 Navy, 9-2
  • #22 USC, 8-4
  • #23 Cincinnati, 10-3 coming off AACCG loss to Memphis
  • #24 Air Force, 10-2
  • #25 OkSU, 8-4

The best remaining bowl games would generally be a bunch of bowls involving B1G teams since the 2nd, 4th, 5th, and 7th highest ranked teams not in the playoff are B1G teams.  


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Re: 12 team playoff
« Reply #29 on: June 24, 2021, 11:41:28 AM »
Some decent potential bowl games there for December.  Will there be an official Rose Bowl?  Utah-PSU worth watching.But I don't see any SEC teams ...


  • #12 Utah, 11-2 coming off PACCG loss to Oregon
  • #13 Penn State, 10-2
  • #14 Notre Dame, 10-2
  • #16 Minnesota, 10-2
  • #17 Michigan, 9-3
  • #18 Boise State, 12-1 MWC Champion
  • #19 Iowa, 9-3
  • #20 ApSt, 12-1 SunBelt Champion
  • #21 Navy, 9-2
  • #22 USC, 8-4
  • #23 Cincinnati, 10-3 coming off AACCG loss to Memphis
  • #24 Air Force, 10-2
  • #25 OkSU, 8-4


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Re: 12 team playoff
« Reply #30 on: June 24, 2021, 03:39:35 PM »
You didn't because as of the pre-bowl rankings in 2019 the SEC had a bunch of teams that would have gotten into the playoff:

  • #1 Champion, LSU, 13-0
  • #5 SECE Champion, UGA, 11-2
  • #6 SECE runner-up, UF, 10-2
  • #9 SECW runner-up, Bama, 10-2
  • #10 SECW 3rd place Auburn, 9-3

They had five teams in the top-10 but no other ranked teams.  The B1G by comparison had two in the playoff and four more ranked teams (more ranked teams than the SEC but nowhere close to as many highly ranked teams:
  • #2 Champion, tOSU, 13-0
  • #11 B1GW Champion, UW, 10-3
  • #13 B1GE runner-up, PSU, 10-2
  • #16 B1GW runner-up, MN, 10-2
  • #17 B1GE third place, M, 9-3
  • #19 B1GE third place, IA, 9-3


Every team in the SEC and B1G that had three or less losses as of the pre-bowl poll was ranked.  The SEC did better with hypothetical CFP invites because nearly all of theirs had only two losses and the one with three (Auburn) lost to #1, #5, and #6.  The major problem for the B1G was that Minnesota was good enough to wreak havoc but not quite good enough to gain national respect.  They were a two-loss team having lost only to hypothetical playoff bound Wisconsin and ranked Iowa but they were only ranked #16.  That also hurt Penn State because the Nittany Lions' two losses were to #2 tOSU and . . . Minnesota.  Had the Gophers gotten a little more love either they or PSU or both could have made the playoff in lieu of perhaps three-loss Auburn. 

If Minnesota had been slightly worse they would have lost to PSU and the Nittany Lions would have been an obvious playoff team with only a single loss and that to an undefeated #2 tOSU.  OTOH, if they had been slightly better they would have beaten Iowa and gone to the B1GCG.  Then 10-2 Wisconsin would still probably have made the playoff along with 11-2 or 12-1 Minnesota and 13-0 or 12-1 tOSU.  

This would likely have resulted in a terrible bowl record for the SEC because their non-playoff teams would have been pretty far down the pecking order.  

We have seen that before both during the BCS and CFP eras.  When a conference gets extra major bowl teams, the rest of their teams end up moving up a slot or two and find themselves in over their heads in their bowl matchups.  Ie, in theory the CapOne Bowl should be between the B1G #2 and the SEC #2.  That would be Wisconsin vs Georgia which would probably be a great game.  Instead, in this scenario it looks like it would end up being B1G #3 PSU vs SEC #6 aTm and PSU would be a pretty solid favorite there.  

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Re: 12 team playoff
« Reply #31 on: June 24, 2021, 03:54:28 PM »
You didn't because as of the pre-bowl rankings in 2019 the SEC had a bunch of teams that would have gotten into the playoff:
I meant it as a joke, or sarcasm, or something humorous and entertaining.

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Re: 12 team playoff
« Reply #32 on: June 24, 2021, 10:31:25 PM »
Gee, if only there was already a thread about this exact thing.  
Damn, I'm gone a few days, and already erased.
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Re: 12 team playoff
« Reply #33 on: June 24, 2021, 10:35:23 PM »
don't take it personal
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Re: 12 team playoff
« Reply #34 on: June 25, 2021, 12:44:13 AM »
No fear of that
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Re: 12 team playoff
« Reply #35 on: June 25, 2021, 01:39:07 AM »
No fear of that
I looked, didn't see a post. Sorry, must have missed it.

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Re: 12 team playoff
« Reply #36 on: June 25, 2021, 10:25:43 AM »
Gee, if only there was already a thread about this exact thing. 
Damn, I'm gone a few days, and already erased.
Wouldn't be this board if someone didn't start a new playoff thread every week

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Re: 12 team playoff
« Reply #37 on: June 25, 2021, 12:38:47 PM »
Well... weekly playoff threads aren't going to start themselves. 
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Re: 12 team playoff
« Reply #38 on: June 25, 2021, 01:00:18 PM »
We could have a playoff between competing playoff threads.

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Re: 12 team playoff
« Reply #39 on: June 25, 2021, 01:14:49 PM »
Wouldn't be this board if someone didn't start a new playoff thread every week
Well... weekly playoff threads aren't going to start themselves.
We could have a playoff between competing playoff threads.
In my defense this isn't a "Medina's idea for a playoff" thread, this was specific to an actual proposal under consideration by the powers that be. 

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Re: 12 team playoff
« Reply #40 on: June 25, 2021, 01:37:10 PM »
We could have a thread "Medina's idea for a playoff" ....

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Re: 12 team playoff
« Reply #41 on: June 25, 2021, 01:39:10 PM »
We could have a playoff between competing playoff threads.
How many threads do we let in?

 

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