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Topic: #11 USC (2-1, 0-1) at #18 Michigan (3-1, 1-0) Postgame

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Re: #11 USC (2-0, 0-0) at #18 Michigan (2-1, 0-0) Game Week
« Reply #70 on: September 18, 2024, 12:12:40 PM »
Fair.  This IS my point.  It wasn't boosters/agents and kids, it was the institution.
If you guys think that the decades of institutionalized cheating at a place like OU didn't heavily involve the coaches and athletic department actively directing the boosters on which recruits to target with bags of cash, and who to continue funneling cash to via fake jobs once they reached campus, then I've got some ocean-front property in Arizona to sell you.  How do you think that stuff works?  You think boosters just find some player they like, give him a lot of money, and then tell coach "hey I'm sending old Joe Smith your way, hope you can find a use for him?" It's always coordinated through the coaching staff and athletic department.  NIL works exactly the same, except now it's above the table and legal.

We're not talking about hundred dollar handshakes from a booster after a good game, we're talking about carefully orchestrated recruiting by the coaches, and payment from the boosters upon their direction.  In the olden days it could reach hundreds of thousands of dollars in a class, more recently it was hitting 8 figures, before NIL made it all legal anyway.

Decades upon decades of institutionalized cheating, and y'all don't give a rat's ass about it, and indeed go out of your way to make all kinds of excuses for it.

So go cry me a river.

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Re: #11 USC (2-0, 0-0) at #18 Michigan (2-1, 0-0) Game Week
« Reply #71 on: September 18, 2024, 12:17:11 PM »
The transgressions of Harbaugh, Stallions, Moore, and I'll add Tressel were not criminal.  They were violations of sports-related rules.  Thus, the NCAA is the appropriate authority to address them. 
Actually, the Big Ten is the appropriate authority. Conferences have different rules when it comes to signs, signals and such.

That said, is USC playing Michigan this weekend?
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Re: #11 USC (2-0, 0-0) at #18 Michigan (2-1, 0-0) Game Week
« Reply #72 on: September 18, 2024, 12:22:23 PM »
Actually, the Big Ten is the appropriate authority. Conferences have different rules when it comes to signs, signals and such.

That said, is USC playing Michigan this weekend?
The Ohio State honks are sucking all the oxygen out of the room, not likely we'll find any Michigan fans that want to discuss the game under the circumstances.  And of course we don't have any USC fans.

I think the Trojans are going to win but I think Michigan will make a game of it.  They're not dead yet...



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Re: #11 USC (2-0, 0-0) at #18 Michigan (2-1, 0-0) Game Week
« Reply #73 on: September 18, 2024, 12:26:02 PM »
Who do you trust least: Michigan's offense or USC's defense?

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Re: #11 USC (2-0, 0-0) at #18 Michigan (2-1, 0-0) Game Week
« Reply #74 on: September 18, 2024, 12:33:54 PM »
Who do you trust least: Michigan's offense or USC's defense?
I think that USC's vastly improved defense will be enough to contain M's vastly diminished offense and that will be the difference because the strength on strength of M's defense vs USC's offense should be fairly even. 

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Re: #11 USC (2-0, 0-0) at #18 Michigan (2-1, 0-0) Game Week
« Reply #75 on: September 18, 2024, 12:46:23 PM »
I think that USC's vastly improved defense will be enough to contain M's vastly diminished offense and that will be the difference because the strength on strength of M's defense vs USC's offense should be fairly even.

Yeah that's what I'm feeling as well.  I really do think that it'll take some time for Michigan's offensive line to gel, and it's unfortunate timing for them, that they're catching Texas and USC early in the season.  Later, they should be a lot better. Not championship-caliber good, but also not left-for-dead bad, like some folks seem to believe, at this time.

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Re: #11 USC (2-0, 0-0) at #18 Michigan (2-1, 0-0) Game Week
« Reply #76 on: September 18, 2024, 01:07:10 PM »
I think that USC's vastly improved defense will be enough to contain M's vastly diminished offense and that will be the difference because the strength on strength of M's defense vs USC's offense should be fairly even.
Yep.
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Re: #11 USC (2-0, 0-0) at #18 Michigan (2-1, 0-0) Game Week
« Reply #77 on: September 18, 2024, 01:46:31 PM »
USC's defense is better through two games this year, but I'm not sure that's enough for me to say I trust them

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Re: #11 USC (2-0, 0-0) at #18 Michigan (2-1, 0-0) Game Week
« Reply #78 on: September 18, 2024, 01:58:23 PM »

The Ohio State honks are sucking all the oxygen out of the room
No you're just winded from running off the 'Skers,Aggies & Buffs then leaving the Big 12 at the alter all whilst chasing the SEC bagmen down who've gone legit

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Re: #11 USC (2-0, 0-0) at #18 Michigan (2-1, 0-0) Game Week
« Reply #79 on: September 18, 2024, 02:35:21 PM »
Yeah that's what I'm feeling as well.  I really do think that it'll take some time for Michigan's offensive line to gel, and it's unfortunate timing for them, that they're catching Texas and USC early in the season.  Later, they should be a lot better. Not championship-caliber good, but also not left-for-dead bad, like some folks seem to believe, at this time.
FWIW:
This sucks for Ohio State because M in late November is probably going to be something like 10-2 caliber team with something like a 7-4 record thus creating a lose/lose situation for the Buckeyes.

That is the nature of the schedule and if you look back historically it explains most of the upsets. For example, in 2004 a 9-1 Michigan team that was ranked #7 got upset by a 6-4 Ohio State team that was unranked. 

At the time it was a shocking upset but looking back and knowing how good Ohio State was in 2005 and beyond the shock isn't that they beat Michigan it is that they lost to Northwestern, Wisconsin, Iowa, and Purdue. 

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Re: #11 USC (2-0, 0-0) at #18 Michigan (2-1, 0-0) Game Week
« Reply #80 on: September 18, 2024, 03:21:27 PM »
No you're just winded from running off the 'Skers,Aggies & Buffs then leaving the Big 12 at the alter all whilst chasing the SEC bagmen down who've gone legit

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Re: #11 USC (2-0, 0-0) at #18 Michigan (2-1, 0-0) Game Week
« Reply #81 on: September 18, 2024, 03:23:13 PM »
At the time it was a shocking upset but looking back and knowing how good Ohio State was in 2005 and beyond the shock isn't that they beat Michigan it is that they lost to Northwestern, Wisconsin, Iowa, and Purdue.
Good thing they weren't in the Big Ten West back then

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Re: #11 USC (2-0, 0-0) at #18 Michigan (2-1, 0-0) Game Week
« Reply #82 on: September 18, 2024, 09:25:13 PM »
FWIW:
This sucks for Ohio State because M in late November is probably going to be something like 10-2 caliber team with something like a 7-4 record thus creating a lose/lose situation for the Buckeyes.

that's called REACHING for something that sucks for Buck fans
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Re: #11 USC (2-0, 0-0) at #18 Michigan (2-1, 0-0) Game Week
« Reply #83 on: September 19, 2024, 10:32:09 AM »

"What did they not do over the last couple of years? They did not manipulate the structure of their defense in order to create pressure," Klatt said on a recent episode of his podcast. "They were not blitz-heavy. Over the last three years, they blitzed 29% of the time. That was 48th in college football, so about average. They weren't manipulating their structure in order to create pressure."

"The problem now is, that's Wink Martindale's entire M.O. He wants to blitz," Klatt said. "They were over 50% blitz against Texas, and on the season Michigan is blitzing at the fourth-highest rate in college football at 48%. So, they went from 29% over the last three years, in which they were dominant, didn't lose a Big Ten regular season game dating back to the '21 season against Michigan State on the road, and they were blitzing 29% of the time. Now, they're blitzing 48% of the time, and I don't believe that their structure is quite as sound."


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