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Topic: #10 Penn State (2-1, 5-1) at #5 Michigan (4-0, 7-0) Post Game

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Re: #10 Penn State (5-0, 2-0) at #5 Michigan (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
« Reply #84 on: October 16, 2022, 10:10:33 AM »
How did Franklin get a 72 million dollar buy out(according to Lion's Pride Board). Horrible after bye's
vs. Top 25 teams: 11-17
vs. Top 10 teams: 2-13
vs. Ohio State: 1-7
vs. Michigan: 3-5
vs. Michigan State: 3-5
in bowl games: 3-4

SMDH,the buyouts they're given should really be reviewed by Universities - it's criminal.Do your job marginally to like shyt and your set for life.Put the money in the school not some jock that is already overpaid.Tucker and Ferentz are supposedly wild also
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Re: #10 Penn State (2-1, 5-1) at #5 Michigan (4-0, 7-0) Post Game
« Reply #85 on: October 17, 2022, 06:09:06 AM »
Michigan’s OL is better than last year. Michigan’s QB is better than last year. Michigan is better, more explosive and more dynamic at RB this year with the Corum & Edwards duo. Michigan is better at WR than last year with Ronnie Bell coming back from injury. 

Michigan‘s defense looks nearly as good as last year. They are stronger on the interior and deeper and better in the secondary and they are getting pass rush from 4-5 different guys, not just two. The new DC Minter has been a magician at 2nd half adjustments and has been pitching shut outs in 2nd halves of nearly every game. 

Special teams are still top notch. 

Red zone offense still concerns me. Their lack of even trying to establish a down field passing game concerns me. But in all honesty this team has not even hit its stride yet on offense nor have they put together a full 4 QTR game. Still feel like they have yet to scratch the surface of what they can become. They have lots of room for growth and they have 5 weeks including this bye to clean stuff up and try to implement a downfield passing attack and to play consistently for 4 QTRs before they face the ultimate test in Columbus.

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Re: #10 Penn State (2-1, 5-1) at #5 Michigan (4-0, 7-0) Post Game
« Reply #86 on: October 17, 2022, 07:43:18 AM »
Michigan’s OL is better than last year. Michigan’s QB is better than last year. Michigan is better, more explosive and more dynamic at RB this year with the Corum & Edwards duo. Michigan is better at WR than last year with Ronnie Bell coming back from injury.

Michigan‘s defense looks nearly as good as last year. They are stronger on the interior and deeper and better in the secondary and they are getting pass rush from 4-5 different guys, not just two. The new DC Minter has been a magician at 2nd half adjustments and has been pitching shut outs in 2nd halves of nearly every game.

Special teams are still top notch.

Red zone offense still concerns me. Their lack of even trying to establish a down field passing game concerns me. But in all honesty this team has not even hit its stride yet on offense nor have they put together a full 4 QTR game. Still feel like they have yet to scratch the surface of what they can become. They have lots of room for growth and they have 5 weeks including this bye to clean stuff up and try to implement a downfield passing attack and to play consistently for 4 QTRs before they face the ultimate test in Columbus.
Agree.  This game was a great learning experience for JJ.  Better to chuck it out of bounds than try to be a hero is the lesson he needs to learn.  But credit Penn State's DBs...they're good.

Urban Meyer on the Fox pre-game show Saturday..."there is no way Michigan is going to be able to run the ball on Penn State."
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Re: #10 Penn State (2-1, 5-1) at #5 Michigan (4-0, 7-0) Post Game
« Reply #87 on: October 17, 2022, 01:05:40 PM »
Urban's a tool,unless he had coin on M and did the "No Way" thing for reverse hocus-pocus.But I don't think he's privy to that
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Re: #10 Penn State (2-1, 5-1) at #5 Michigan (4-0, 7-0) Post Game
« Reply #89 on: October 19, 2022, 09:48:12 AM »
The importance of explosiveness:

Against Iowa Corum and Edwards combined for 34 carries for 162 yards for an average of 4.8.

Against Penn State Corum and Edwards combined for 44 carries for 339 yards for an average of 7.7.

What was the difference?

It wasn't 2.2 yards each on all carries, it was the big plays that Penn State allowed and Iowa didn't. Against Iowa Corum's long was 20 and Edwards' long was just 12. 

Against Penn State Edwards and Corum had runs of 67 and 61 yards respectively. Worse for PSU, these runs occurred on consecutive plays for the Michigan offense and turned a 17-16 PSU lead into a 31-17 PSU deficit. 

Without those two plays Corum and Edwards combined for 42 carries for 211 yards for an average of 5.0. 

I realize that Michigan was outplaying Penn State long before they took the lead but in an eerily similar fashion my Buckeyes dominated the first half of the CFP Semi-final against Clemson a couple years ago but only led 16-14 at the half and ended up losing. It happens. 

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Re: #10 Penn State (2-1, 5-1) at #5 Michigan (4-0, 7-0) Post Game
« Reply #90 on: October 19, 2022, 10:35:48 AM »
The importance of explosiveness:

Against Iowa Corum and Edwards combined for 34 carries for 162 yards for an average of 4.8.

Against Penn State Corum and Edwards combined for 44 carries for 339 yards for an average of 7.7.

What was the difference?

It wasn't 2.2 yards each on all carries, it was the big plays that Penn State allowed and Iowa didn't. Against Iowa Corum's long was 20 and Edwards' long was just 12.

Against Penn State Edwards and Corum had runs of 67 and 61 yards respectively. Worse for PSU, these runs occurred on consecutive plays for the Michigan offense and turned a 17-16 PSU lead into a 31-17 PSU deficit.

Without those two plays Corum and Edwards combined for 42 carries for 211 yards for an average of 5.0.

I realize that Michigan was outplaying Penn State long before they took the lead but in an eerily similar fashion my Buckeyes dominated the first half of the CFP Semi-final against Clemson a couple years ago but only led 16-14 at the half and ended up losing. It happens.
Oh yeah.    That game.  Rrrgh.  Took a TD off the board for OSU. ( the fumble that wasn’t a catch after 4 steps). Then- the non targeting targeting call in Shawn Wade.  Then the next play Lawrence fakes out Wades Replacement - the rookie Peoctor- for the go ahead TD. 
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Re: #10 Penn State (2-1, 5-1) at #5 Michigan (4-0, 7-0) Post Game
« Reply #91 on: October 19, 2022, 10:59:42 AM »
some hot takes from seeing these guys up close and personal, my seats were 5 rows away from the Michigan sideline...

- JJ McCarthy is far from a finished product- he had missed opportunities where his 2nd and 3rd reads were wide open. He locks on his 1st read too much and he holds the ball too long. Having said that- the passing scheme and play calling isn't helping him. Having said that- he's RIDICULOUSLY talented. Seeing that kid live in person....that arm talent is elite and he is FAST for a QB. Not trying to knock Cade- but....he's A LOT better than Cade. That's no disrespect to Cade, it's just the reality of the situation.

- Blake Corum is really good at football. Donovan Edwards just might be better. That's crazy to say, but Corum is pretty much a finished product and Edwards isn't even scratching the surface of what he can be. This is a SPECIAL 1-2 punch that Michigan has at RB. These are both future NFL backs with serious explosive and play making ability. Michigan hasn't had one of these type of guys at RB let alone two of them together in a long long long time.

- Ronnie Bell is an AWESOME #2 WR. He's the most polished WR they have, but he's not a legit #1 who can take over a game or scare a defense. Starting to be afraid that Roman Wilson isn't much more than a go route WR- he's faster than sh&t but his route running leaves a lot to be desired. I think WR coaching is a major issue at Michigan and has been for years. Wilson running go routes all day long would be fine if Michigan actually threw the ball deep often- but- they don't. Cornelius Johnson is their most physically imposing WR. He's much bigger and more physical than Bell and just as fast if not faster- and while he's not as fast as Roman Wilson he looks like a grown ass man standing next to his kid brother when they stand next to each other. Andrel Anthony is the one WR that looked to my eye to just play at a higher level athletically than those other 3....and he barely plays at all. It's just effortless and easy with him in and out of breaks, he eats up cushion faster and just looks more athletic than those other 3 guys....and he doesn't even play. Go figure.

- the OL is better than last year. Hayes, Keegan, and Zinter all returned and the addition of Olu Oluwatimi has taken that OL up a notch. No disrespect to Andrew Vastardis- he was a solid college player- but he had zero NFL future. Oluwatimi is a future NFL center. That guy is a DUDE. Seriously impressive seeing him in person. Dancing bear I believe is the term. Dude is a beast.

- the DL is better than last year. How? They are rounding out into form on the interior and appear to be much stronger there. DT's Mazi Smith and Kenneth Grant look like NFL players in person. Grant is a true freshman. Both of them are like...holy sh&t that's a monster. Back-up EDGE Braiden McGregor does as well. So does starting EDGE Mike Morris. So does back-up EDGE and true frosh Derrick Moore. Those 5 dudes physically look like NFL players right now...seeing them up close in person- they are straight up scary looking. Just massive human beings. Mason Graham- another true frosh at DT might just be their best defensive tackle. Which is insane because Mazi Smith is playing out of his mind right now. Mason Graham has no business being as good as he has been as a true freshman. They rotate A LOT of guys on that DL- a lot more than last year and maybe that is why they are keeping fresh and wear teams down in 2nd half of games. Mazi Smith, Mason Graham, Kris Jenkins, and Kenneth Grant all got a lot of snaps on the interior vs PSU and at EDGE they rotate Mike Morris, Jaylen Harrell, Eyabi Okie, Derrick Moore, Braiden McGregor, and Taylor Upshaw. Okie, Moore, and McGregor were very highly rated recruits- you expect a lot of guys like that- but Morris and Harrell are the starters and they were just "nooooo 3 starz ewwww" - and Morris is their best EDGE player. They are also BETTER this year at setting the edge vs the run with their edge defenders. Why? Well David Ojabo was kind of a huge liability at run defense and setting the edge and while Hutchinson was really good at that- Mike Morris may be even better at setting the edge vs the run. Morris does have about 30 pounds of muscle on Hutch though....so yeah.

- Mike Sainistril might be one of the top 3 players on that defense. And that is insane considering he played WR last season. His football IQ and instincts appear to be off the charts. He just always seems to be in perfect position and always just seems to know what offenses are trying to do before they do it. He's their best DB and it's not really close. The CBs really have yet to be tested. DJ Turner has been inconsistent this year- he's maybe the fastest guy on their entire team and he flashes great play and then has some not so great play. He's just not consistent. He'll gamble and get beat too much imo. Gemon Green has been a pleasant surprise and has been their best, most consistent CB. The safeties appear to be pretty good with RJ Moten, Rod Moore, and Makari Paige- but again- they haven't really been tested. True frosh CB Will Johnson looks like an NFL CB- he's a VERY impressive looking physical specimen seeing him up close in person. Every bit of 6'1/6'2, really long arms, really big hands, broad shoulders, really well built. He's a true frosh and he looks more impressive physically than either of the starting CB's- DJ Turner or Gemon Green. Secondary is largely untested, really don't know what exactly what to think of it yet. But I DO think Sainistril is a legit All-Conference caliber player and that Will Johnson will take over a starting CB job by end of the year- he just flat out physically looks different than the two other CBs- not sure you keep that on the bench for much longer.

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Re: #10 Penn State (2-1, 5-1) at #5 Michigan (4-0, 7-0) Post Game
« Reply #92 on: October 19, 2022, 11:04:25 AM »
We need more insurance commercials, because that guy doesn't know the difference between life insurance and disability insurance.

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Re: #10 Penn State (2-1, 5-1) at #5 Michigan (4-0, 7-0) Post Game
« Reply #93 on: October 19, 2022, 11:10:01 AM »
Then- the non targeting targeting call in Shawn Wade.  Then the next play Lawrence fakes out Wades Replacement - the rookie Peoctor- for the go ahead TD. 
I was livid on the very next set of downs,one of Clemson's DBs literally head butted JK Dobbins and the line judge was right there.NOTHING,guys on the home boards kept showing the video which made it that much worse.Someone on the game thread here questioned that too. Either a pay off or gross incompetence,That game was literally lost to the refereeing. I've always been an advocate of 1 play aQTR review.So much goes into a team's prep and it shouldn't come to that.I really,really hope that kharma caught up to those two twats that jobbed tOSU.Of course LSU and Jeaux Burreaux waiting in the wings was another matter all together
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Re: #10 Penn State (2-1, 5-1) at #5 Michigan (4-0, 7-0) Post Game
« Reply #94 on: October 19, 2022, 04:34:44 PM »
Oh yeah.    That game.  Rrrgh.  Took a TD off the board for OSU. ( the fumble that wasn’t a catch after 4 steps). Then- the non targeting targeting call in Shawn Wade.  Then the next play Lawrence fakes out Wades Replacement - the rookie Peoctor- for the go ahead TD. 
I was livid on the very next set of downs,one of Clemson's DBs literally head butted JK Dobbins and the line judge was right there.NOTHING,guys on the home boards kept showing the video which made it that much worse.Someone on the game thread here questioned that too. Either a pay off or gross incompetence,That game was literally lost to the refereeing. I've always been an advocate of 1 play aQTR review.So much goes into a team's prep and it shouldn't come to that.I really,really hope that kharma caught up to those two twats that jobbed tOSU.Of course LSU and Jeaux Burreaux waiting in the wings was another matter all together
I generally agree with you guys and I was pretty mad about that four-step non-catch/non-fumble as well but it wasn't just the officiating and the Targeting called on our guy and NOT called on theirs.  

As usual in games where this happens (1996 vs Michigan is the same thing) there are either turnovers or RZ issues or both.  

Ohio State had four 70+ yard scoring drives in the first half of that 2019 CFP Semi-Final against Clemson:
  • 10 plays, 71 yards for a FG, had 1st and goal on the Clemson 5 and couldn't punch it in.  
  • 1 play, 68 yards for a TD, well that is one way avoid RZ issues!
  • 7 plays, 75 yards for a FG, had 1st and goal on the Clemson 8 and couldn't punch it in.  
  • 14 plays, 70 yards for a FG, had 1st and 10 on the Clemson 11 and couldn't punch it in.  

Later in the game:
  • Clemson scored a TD for a 21-16 lead.  
  • tOSU scored a TD for a 23-21 lead (chose not to go for 2, wisely IMHO).  
  • Clemson scored a TD and got a 2 point conversion (wise decision IMHO) for a 29-23 lead.  
  • tOSU drove to the Clemson 23 as time was winding down but got intercepted, ballgame.  

If Ohio State's four first-half scores had been 2 TD's and 2 FG's then:
  • Clemson would only have led by 1 after their early 2nd half TD, 21-20.  
  • tOSU would have led by 6 after their second half TD, 27-21.  
  • Clemson would have led by 1 (because they wouldn't have gone for 2 when tied) after their late second half TD, 28-27.  
  • As time was winding down with Ohio State having the ball at the Clemson 23, they'd have only needed a FG and it would have been 40 yards from there.  

If Ohio State's four first-half scores had been 3 TD's and 1 FG then:
  • Clemson's early second half TD would only have bought them within 3, 24-21.  
  • tOSU would have led by 10 after their second half TD, 31-21.  
  • Clemson's late second half TD would only have brought them back within 3 (no reason to go for 2) at 31-28.  
  • Ohio State wins 31-28.  

If Ohio State's four first-half scores had all been TD's it would have been a blowout.  


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Re: #10 Penn State (2-1, 5-1) at #5 Michigan (4-0, 7-0) Post Game
« Reply #95 on: October 19, 2022, 05:30:16 PM »
It was a blowout the next year.  😊
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Re: #10 Penn State (2-1, 5-1) at #5 Michigan (4-0, 7-0) Post Game
« Reply #96 on: October 20, 2022, 05:07:49 PM »
pretty much every game that JJ McCarthy has played in he's made a few throws that just make you go "WOW...ummmm Cade can't do that" and to just salivate at the potential he has and the potential this passing game could have if it's developed more....this one vs Penn State is just a thing of beauty....he let it rip at the 9 yard line and it traveled 40+ yards in the air- on the run- on a frozen rope- a dart throw on the run to the sideline- that's an NFL throw and he's got serious arm talent. Just wish we'd get to see more of him throwing the ball down the field.

They finally got Donovan Edwards healthy and involved. JJ is just scratching the surface of what he could be. Those two players are the key for Michigan really taking off. Donovan Edwards needs to get more involved in this offense and JJ needs to attempt more downfield throws and connect on them- and this team could really just take off into the stratosphere.


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Re: #10 Penn State (2-1, 5-1) at #5 Michigan (4-0, 7-0) Post Game
« Reply #97 on: October 20, 2022, 05:39:54 PM »
JJ's first 6 starts in 2022 vs Cade's first 6 starts last year...

JJ: 111 completions, 144 attempts, 77.1% completion, 1,297 yards, 9.1 YPA, 9 TD vs 2 INT, 170.6 QB Rating, 81.2 ESPN QBR

Cade: 72 completion, 119 attempts, 60.5% completion, 986 yards, 8.28 YPA, 5 TD vs 1 INT, 159.9 QB Rating, 68.5 ESPN QBR

think it's safe to say they made the right choice...if anyone is still questioning the QB switch, which I doubt they are anymore.

 

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