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Topic: #10 Ohio State (6-1, 9-1) at #18 Michigan State (4-3, 6-4) Post Game

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Re: #10 Ohio State (6-1, 9-1) at #18 Michigan State (4-3, 6-4) Post Game
« Reply #126 on: November 12, 2018, 04:02:30 PM »
MSU seemed to give up on fielding punts. Most of them bounced within the 5 yard line. Fielding them -- especially after noticing the great punt/coverage combo pattern!!! -- would have been a game theory win and likely enough to prolong, if not outright prevent, those 2nd half points.
I was screaming the opposite at the start. OSU let the 1st 3 MSU punts bounce for an extra 15~ish yards each. I was worried those 50 yards would come back to haunt them.
I'm not sure why MSU didn't try to field any of those punts at the end. but yah, when the choice is 1st and ten at the 5, or 1st and ten at the 1, those are 4 pretty big yards.

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Re: #10 Ohio State (6-1, 9-1) at #18 Michigan State (4-3, 6-4) Post Game
« Reply #127 on: November 12, 2018, 04:13:23 PM »
Burrow is terrible. He completes 50% of his passes. In today’s game that’s like completing 30% in years past.
Wisconsin’s issues go deeper than the QB. That defense isn’t what it used to be and all of their WR/TE talent from last year is gone.
Burrow wouldn’t have them at any better or worse than Hornibrook.
Stepping into a new System/School, Burrow started the season off (1st 3 games) only completing 46% of his passes. The next 5 games his percentage is up to 58% That's pretty remarkable improvement IMHO. (For the Season he is at 54.8%)
And while 58% doesn't win you any awards, it's a far cry from terrible.

EDIT: And for the record he is half a percentage point better than Lewerke and McSorley...
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Re: #10 Ohio State (6-1, 9-1) at #18 Michigan State (4-3, 6-4) Post Game
« Reply #128 on: November 12, 2018, 04:17:48 PM »
Stepping into a new System/School, Burrow started the season off (1st 3 games) only completing 46% of his passes. The next 5 games his percentage is up to 58% That's pretty remarkable IMHO. (For the Season he is at 54.8%)
And while 58% doesn't win you any awards, it's a far cry from terrible.
He’s not at 58%. And it’s not remarkable.. He’s at 54.8%. And it’s terrible. The way the pass game and the rules are now- under 60 is just awful. Even Tebow and Denard were hitting in the 60%s and their abilities as runners far out exceeded anything Burrow could do. 
Burrow just isn’t that good. 

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Re: #10 Ohio State (6-1, 9-1) at #18 Michigan State (4-3, 6-4) Post Game
« Reply #129 on: November 12, 2018, 04:27:50 PM »
I made 2 edits to my post while you were typing your reply. "Remarkable improvement" and better than 2 other quarterbacks most consider good.

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Re: #10 Ohio State (6-1, 9-1) at #18 Michigan State (4-3, 6-4) Post Game
« Reply #130 on: November 12, 2018, 04:44:03 PM »
He’s not at 58%. And it’s not remarkable.. He’s at 54.8%. And it’s terrible. The way the pass game and the rules are now- under 60 is just awful. Even Tebow and Denard were hitting in the 60%s and their abilities as runners far out exceeded anything Burrow could do.
Burrow just isn’t that good.
You're quaffing hot dog water if you think Denard could throw better than Burrow.He has had clutch drives I don't know which games you watch.LSU had 12 yds rushing vs Bama,Burrow was sacked 5X and hurried about a hundred.LSU hasn't matched up mano-a-mano against Bama for quite some time.In 2016 Burrow was 22-28 with 0 int's and a QB rating of 169.9 and 9.5 yard avg per attempt.Of course 4 of those linemen are playing on Sundays.There was plenty of controversy about JT playing as he was throwing behind and in front of receivers but URBS wanted an RB at QB.He broke his thumb last season and has some pedigree as  he threw for over 11,000 yds in High School.But ya he sux if you say so
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Re: #10 Ohio State (6-1, 9-1) at #18 Michigan State (4-3, 6-4) Post Game
« Reply #131 on: November 12, 2018, 04:52:40 PM »
Stepping into a new System/School, Burrow started the season off (1st 3 games) only completing 46% of his passes. The next 5 games his percentage is up to 58% That's pretty remarkable improvement IMHO. (For the Season he is at 54.8%)
And while 58% doesn't win you any awards, it's a far cry from terrible.

EDIT: And for the record he is half a percentage point better than Lewerke and McSorley...
In those five games, he's thrown for four TDs, four picks. His average pass gains 6.9 yards. His average completion gains 11.8. That ain't great. Also worth noting, he's not the first grad transfer, and a lot have done just fine to start the season.
I wouldn't say he's been terrible. But he's not been particularly good. He's had moments, the ones you mentioned, but he hasn't been good (also, Lewerke and McSorley are both kind of in bad shape right now). 
It's sort of a weird thing. He's been by most objective measures, not good. He's leading the No. 70 passing offense and No. 83 total offense in S&P, and that's lifted up by facing a bunch of good defenses. But it seems OSU fans really like him. 
It strikes me as a case of "not my problems." When it's not your problem and you don't live it, you see the good. Barrett got called a sandbagger at one point because his bad was something you felt. An LSU fan will no doubt point out he couldn't lead the offense to a point in the season's biggest game and threw up a 91.6 rating against a kinda good UF team. 

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Re: #10 Ohio State (6-1, 9-1) at #18 Michigan State (4-3, 6-4) Post Game
« Reply #132 on: November 12, 2018, 04:55:47 PM »
be interesting to see how many of his O-Line end up in the Sunday league unlike the behemoths in Madison.I'd take Burrow pre-broken thumb
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Re: #10 Ohio State (6-1, 9-1) at #18 Michigan State (4-3, 6-4) Post Game
« Reply #133 on: November 12, 2018, 04:56:40 PM »
Burrow is ok, he’s a fighter. He’d prob have Wisconsin at worst 8-2 right now. But he’s not good enough to win a conference title in big or Sec.
Might be generous. He might have them 7-3. Maybe if stuff broke right, 8-2. But TBF, one could say the same of Hornibrook. Shoot, if stuff had broken right with Alex, they could be 9-1. But it didn't against BYU, Michigan was a lost cause with how he's playing and NW/PSU are basically who knows because Coan has been very jittery and bad. 

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Re: #10 Ohio State (6-1, 9-1) at #18 Michigan State (4-3, 6-4) Post Game
« Reply #134 on: November 12, 2018, 04:59:27 PM »
You're quaffing hot dog water if you think Denard could throw better than Burrow.He has had clutch drives I don't know which games you watch.LSU had 12 yds rushing vs Bama,Burrow was sacked 5X and hurried about a hundred.LSU hasn't matched up mano-a-mano against Bama for quite some time.In 2016 Burrow was 22-28 with 0 int's and a QB rating of 169.9 and 9.5 yard avg per attempt.Of course 4 of those linemen are playing on Sundays.There was plenty of controversy about JT playing as he was throwing behind and in front of receivers but URBS wanted an RB at QB.He broke his thumb last season and has some pedigree as  he threw for over 11,000 yds in High School.But ya he sux if you say so
The bolded part baffles me. He was awesome in garbage time. A year later, the starter put up a a 160 rating playing the actual teams and we only hear about how he missed all the receivers. 
This is just a strange thing. 

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Re: #10 Ohio State (6-1, 9-1) at #18 Michigan State (4-3, 6-4) Post Game
« Reply #135 on: November 12, 2018, 05:04:11 PM »
Don't even start with garbage time I watched JT look very pedestrian throwing the ball at receivers feet and wide outs stopping to reach back and catch the ball.Burrow lead receivers in stride.JT was surrounded by a lot of Sunday guys especially last year.Yet he doesn't have an arena league offer.Burrow looked better than Barret when surrounded by the same personnel.What you don't know about Ohio State players is baffling.Of course a few years ago you thought John Cooper was a good coach
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Re: #10 Ohio State (6-1, 9-1) at #18 Michigan State (4-3, 6-4) Post Game
« Reply #136 on: November 12, 2018, 05:04:46 PM »
be interesting to see how many of his O-Line end up in the Sunday league unlike the behemoths in Madison.I'd take Burrow pre-broken thumb
That group in Madison has been letting QBs get killed all year. LSU's group is young, but the senior was an All-American last year.
He's leading a bad offense and not being productive. I don't know if that makes him bad. But it is what it is. 

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Re: #10 Ohio State (6-1, 9-1) at #18 Michigan State (4-3, 6-4) Post Game
« Reply #137 on: November 12, 2018, 05:16:22 PM »
Don't even start with garbage time I watched JT look very pedestrian throwing the ball at receivers feet and wide outs stopping to reach back and catch the ball.Burrow lead receivers in stride.JT was surrounded by a lot of Sunday guys especially last year.Yet he doesn't have an arena league offer.Burrow looked better than Barret when surrounded by the same personnel.What you don't know about Ohio State players is baffling.Of course a few years ago you thought John Cooper was a good coach
The closest game those stats came in was 48-3. The best defense of the group was Tulsa or Nebraska. 
Maybe it is baffling. I dunno. I keep seeing OSU fans who hated HATED this dual-threat QB who capped his career with a statistically impressive season. And those same fans are telling me, "Listen, don't look at the fact Burrow misses passes at a high rate and leads a bad offense." I'm just very confused by it. 
I'm saying this, if Burrow was at OSU doing what he's doing at LSU, fans would want to fire him into the sun. And perhaps if he was on the most talented roster in the county instead of the seventh, he'd be leading a good offense. But he's not. Over more than 28 passes, as an actual starting quarterback, he's been, in an objective sense not productive. He's had good and great moments, and a lot of really not great ones, which seem to come out in the wash with a majestic defense. 

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Re: #10 Ohio State (6-1, 9-1) at #18 Michigan State (4-3, 6-4) Post Game
« Reply #138 on: November 12, 2018, 05:27:20 PM »
Last year Barret left the Michigan game down 6 and it should have been more as a M LB dropped a pick that 2 plays later the Bucks scored on.Haskins came in and started threading the needle and the Buckeyes won by 11.When you're surrounded by NFL talent like Barret was for 5 yrs you should put up some numbers.You'd win 6-7 games a year under center,yet JT had no way of getting the ball deep consistently - he simply couldn't stretch the field.For every Penn St game - he had an Iowa game - not what your looking for in a 5th year senior.And I'm fairly certain Burrow has had some problems with that thumb.But this years Ohio St isn't close talent wise to last years or '16s
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Re: #10 Ohio State (6-1, 9-1) at #18 Michigan State (4-3, 6-4) Post Game
« Reply #139 on: November 12, 2018, 05:48:42 PM »
Last year Barret left the Michigan game down 6 and it should have been more as a M LB dropped a pick that 2 plays later the Bucks scored on.Haskins came in and started threading the needle and the Buckeyes won by 11.When you're surrounded by NFL talent like Barret was for 5 yrs you should put up some numbers.You'd win 6-7 games a year under center,yet JT had no way of getting the ball deep consistently - he simply couldn't stretch the field.For every Penn St game - he had an Iowa game - not what your looking for in a 5th year senior.And I'm fairly certain Burrow has had some problems with that thumb.But this years Ohio St isn't close talent wise to last years or '16s
So this year’s Buckeyes  are notably less talented, on offense, in the previous two? Interesting. 
Anyway,  i’m thinking the Tigers might just have a fair amount of Sunday talent them selves, being they usually do.  And Joe‘s numbers are sitting well below a former Purdue quarterback despite far more stable times. 
 I understand bagging on the old guy. It is the nature of fans to look for the bad . Is probably also the nature of fans to mine for the good of anyone that is not their team,  but in this case, it just seems weird. 

 

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