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Topic: #10 Ohio State (6-1, 9-1) at #18 Michigan State (4-3, 6-4) Post Game

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Re: #10 Ohio State (6-1, 9-1) at #18 Michigan State (4-3, 6-4) Post Game
« Reply #112 on: November 10, 2018, 04:10:19 PM »
Next year in EL let's do it again.Tough season for Sparty injury wise.Tough stretch with dismissing some decent players also.Think they'll turn that corner in the off season.Always good when MSU & UW are tough.Hindsight but MD should have tried running Lombardi a little more
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Re: #10 Ohio State (6-1, 9-1) at #18 Michigan State (4-3, 6-4) Post Game
« Reply #113 on: November 10, 2018, 04:12:09 PM »
Next year in EL let's do it again.Tough season for Sparty injury wise.Tough stretch with dismissing some decent players also.Think they'll turn that corner in the off season.Always good when MSU & UW are tough.Hindsight but MD should have tried running Lombardi a little more
Tough to run a lot of option from your own 1.  Granted it went horribly, but that call really opens you up for a safety 

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Re: #10 Ohio State (6-1, 9-1) at #18 Michigan State (4-3, 6-4) Post Game
« Reply #115 on: November 10, 2018, 05:56:28 PM »
MSU seemed to give up on fielding punts. Most of them bounced within the 5 yard line. Fielding them -- especially after noticing the great punt/coverage combo pattern!!! -- would have been a game theory win and likely enough to prolong, if not outright prevent, those 2nd half points.

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Re: #10 Ohio State (6-1, 9-1) at #18 Michigan State (4-3, 6-4) Post Game
« Reply #116 on: November 10, 2018, 07:42:34 PM »
***BIG TEN GAME OF THE WEEK***
#10 Ohio State Buckeyes (5-1, 8-1) at #18 Michigan State Spartans (4-2, 6-3)
NOON - East Lansing, MI - FOX
2004.  Aside from the weird 2011 season that was the last time Ohio State lost multiple Big Ten games in the same season.  Also, again 2011 aside, that was the last time Ohio State went into Michigan week playing for nothing but pride.  To keep both of those streaks alive, Ohio State needs to find itself.  On one hand, that tells you just how high the bar is for this program right now, that a team sitting in the top 10, at 8-1, still in control of their own destiny for a Big Ten title, has its fans concerned.  On the other, how can a program that is jockying with Clemson for most talent outside of Tuscaloosa be getting blown out by Purdue, and locked in a fight with a 2-7 Nebraska team?  Both of these programs pride themselves on their ability to run the ball and stop the run.  Michigan State leads the nation in run defense, and Ohio State has been fine enough there.  But neither team can run the ball.  The Buckeyes sit 8th in the Big Ten averaging 4.0 ypc, and the Spartans are down at 12th with 3.6.  Will either team be even competent on the ground, and how long will they try to force it.  The difference is that the Buckeyes haven't minded relying on their passing attack, putting up 368.8 ypg against Big Ten opposition, tops in the conference, and on the season, third nationally.  When you look at the most prolific passing offenses in the country, seeing Mike Leach and Kliff Kingsbury 1-2 is expected, but Urban Meyer #3?  Give him credit for adjusting to fit his personnel.  Dwayne Haskins has already thrown the ball at least 30 times in 7 of Ohio State's 9 games, and at least 38 times in 5 games.  J.T. Barrett attempted 38 or more passes 3 times in his entire career.  Michigan State is certainly more suseptible to the pass than the run, but their pass rush and coverage has improved leaps and bounds over where in was in September.  In conference play the Spartans have held opponents to 6.3 ypa, 5th best in the Big Ten, and have recorded the third most sacks.  Their adjusted sack rate on the year is still lower than you'd expect, but what they've excelled at is getting pressure with just their line, allowing their linebackers to play more in coverage, which they've done a better job at than most past units, when Narduzzi was a pretty strong believer in staying in your base defense.  That jives with Michigan State ranking much higher in standard downs sack rate than passing downs sack rate.  It's against the run though where those front four truly dominate.  Michigan State ranks #1 or #2 nationally in 4 of the 6 metrics that Bill Connolly uses to judge defensive line success against the run.  But while Ohio State has slogged few the past couple weeks, it's been against teams that, despite other weaknesses, could throw the ball on them.  Minnesota, Purdue and Nebraska have the three highest yards per attempt in the conference aside from Ohio State.  Michigan State's 5.8 ypa sits above only Rutgers.  Brian Lewerke is celarly not healthy yet, but the staff thought he was close enough to give him the start against Maryland.  I don't think anybody but Dantonio and offensive coordinator Dave Warner thought he looked healthy enough to go.  Rocky Lombardi showed a lot against Purdue, but he got first team reps all week.  When he came in against Maryland, he looked like a backup.  So while Michigan State may like Option B if Lewerke is still hurt, I'm not sure Lombardi is a guy right now who looks the same coming off the bench as he does getting the start.  So for all of the shakiness of the Ohio State back seven, it's unclear whether Michigan State, with a beat up Lewerke, missing Felton Davis, and playing Cody White with a cast on his hand, can do what Minnesota, Purdue and Nebraska did against it.  But can Ohio State put up big numbers on Michigan State if the Spartans force them to be one dimensional.  They tried that against Purdue, and while they moved up and down the field between the 20s, they slogged down in the red zone.  That has to be Michigan State's strategy as well.  Let the 4 up front hold their own, and don't get beat deep.  Once it becomes a phone booth fight and you can negate Ohio State's athletic advantage, it's a fair fight.  Purdue is good at that, their defense has the third best touchdown prevention rate in the red zone.  Michigan State is one of two schools even better.  Ohio State is more talented than they've shown, and every inch of me seems to think they'll have enough when they need it.  That was my argument in picking them to go into West Lafayette and win, when every sign pointed to Purdue.  Now I'm waiting for Ohio State to show me something that they haven't shown since gutting out that win in Happy Valley.  Win this game, and not only am I a believer, but I think that gives them a ton of momentum with Michigan coming to the Shoe in two weeks.  But again, you have to show me first.  And I hope not to be proven wrong.
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Re: #10 Ohio State (6-1, 9-1) at #18 Michigan State (4-3, 6-4) Post Game
« Reply #117 on: November 11, 2018, 05:42:40 PM »
Looks like osu is finding a way to grind out some yards which is promising, but why they continue to try and force Haskins into RPO and option plays boggles the mind. It should be completely eliminated when Haskins is in the game. They do fine with straight running plays, o line knows what to do and backs get better runs. Don’t confuse me for asking for Tate, I’m not, Haskins is a potential nfl 1st round pick, but u gotta call plays to his skill set. 

I liked the mix up with Tate, not sure how much you can use it, but 3-5 times a guy is fine. 

White has to stay in the lineup, some guys just know how to play, he just seems to make plays. 

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Re: #10 Ohio State (6-1, 9-1) at #18 Michigan State (4-3, 6-4) Post Game
« Reply #118 on: November 11, 2018, 05:55:29 PM »
I thought the run game without Tate was failing until MSU's defense broke late and then the traditional sets started working too. Of course, OSU deserves credit for breaking MSU, so this is always complicated. The hard question is whether MSU would have broken on D if their offense were functional. I won't hazard an answer, but whatever the answer is, that's probably how Dobbins/Weber would perform versus Michigan if they played this weekend.
No matter the answer in terms of extent, there's zero question that they've seen improvement since the bye week. UNL didn't mean much, but this one was nice.

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Re: #10 Ohio State (6-1, 9-1) at #18 Michigan State (4-3, 6-4) Post Game
« Reply #119 on: November 12, 2018, 09:12:45 AM »
I think the improvement has been taking away the read option, although they haven’t entirely done it. Also throwing in 2 TE sets, sometimes a 6th o lineman, addition of Tate. 

Now, the O line is still an issue so I still envision all kinds of issues against the team up north and most likely whoever our bowl opponent is. But at least I think it gives us a chance in those games if they can find a way to properly Balance it with the pass game. They still have a penchant for taking a 2 yard loss on run plays to kill drives. 

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Re: #10 Ohio State (6-1, 9-1) at #18 Michigan State (4-3, 6-4) Post Game
« Reply #120 on: November 12, 2018, 09:17:47 AM »

They'll be ready for the Wolverines. 

 
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Re: #10 Ohio State (6-1, 9-1) at #18 Michigan State (4-3, 6-4) Post Game
« Reply #121 on: November 12, 2018, 09:34:41 AM »
 They [LSU] were severely overranked and their QB/offense flat out sucks.
I disagree, they have a heck of a QB down there.

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Re: #10 Ohio State (6-1, 9-1) at #18 Michigan State (4-3, 6-4) Post Game
« Reply #122 on: November 12, 2018, 11:21:03 AM »
I disagree, they have a heck of a QB down there.
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Re: #10 Ohio State (6-1, 9-1) at #18 Michigan State (4-3, 6-4) Post Game
« Reply #123 on: November 12, 2018, 03:50:52 PM »
Burrow is ok, he’s a fighter. He’d prob have Wisconsin at worst 8-2 right now. But he’s not good enough to win a conference title in big or Sec. 

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Re: #10 Ohio State (6-1, 9-1) at #18 Michigan State (4-3, 6-4) Post Game
« Reply #124 on: November 12, 2018, 03:54:08 PM »
Burrow is ok, he’s a fighter. He’d prob have Wisconsin at worst 8-2 right now. But he’s not good enough to win a conference title in big or Sec.
Burrow is terrible. He completes 50% of his passes. In today’s game that’s like completing 30% in years past.
Wisconsin’s issues go deeper than the QB. That defense isn’t what it used to be and all of their WR/TE talent from last year is gone.
Burrow wouldn’t have them at any better or worse than Hornibrook.

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Re: #10 Ohio State (6-1, 9-1) at #18 Michigan State (4-3, 6-4) Post Game
« Reply #125 on: November 12, 2018, 04:00:00 PM »
HAve to agree to disagree, I realize his completion percentage is bad, but he’s led some clutch drives like at Auburn, he made plays with his legs against Georgia, he has a decent arm and LSU nation and his team believe in him. He’s no all pro, but he’s good enough. 

I doubt many people believed Craig krenzel was worthy of playing at OSU let alone winning a natty .

 

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