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Topic: #1 Texas (0-0/0-0) at #3 Ohio State (0-0/0-0) Game thread

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Re: #1 Texas (0-0/0-0) at #3 Ohio State (0-0/0-0) Game thread
« Reply #42 on: August 18, 2025, 04:19:41 PM »
Win.  Always win.  I don't put much stock in any sort of "revenge factor" motivation.

Plus, haven't you at one time before, posted up stats that show the rematch tends to favor the original winner anyway?  I vaguely recall that from some time in the past.
I do remember something like that but it wasn't me who posted it.  I don't have a good way to search for rematches.  From Ohio State's perspective I know of two postseason rematches of regular season games:
  • 1976 Rose Bowl:  Ohio State obliterated UCLA 41-20 in the Rose Bowl (stadium not game) on October 4, 1975 and lost to UCLA 23-10 in the Rose Bowl (stadium and game) on January 1, 1976.  
  • 2025 Rose Bowl:  Ohio State lost at Oregon by a single point on October 12, 2024 and obliterated the Ducks in the Rose Bowl on January 1, 2025.  
In both of those cases the team that won the regular season game lost the postseason game.  In both cases the postseason game was MUCH more important.  The 2024 situation is obvious.  In 1975 Ohio State finished 11-1 and #4.  Oklahoma (lost at home to a mediocre Kansas team) finished 11-1 and #1.  Alabama (lost their opener to a mediocre Mizzou team in Birmingham) finished 11-1 and #3.  ASU finished 12-0 and #2 but this was pre-Pac for them so their SoS was laughable.  

Ohio State's 11-1 was arguably better than OU's or Bama's anyway but if you flip it to an early loss and a late win instead of an early win and a late loss, I think Ohio State finishes #1.  

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Re: #1 Texas (0-0/0-0) at #3 Ohio State (0-0/0-0) Game thread
« Reply #43 on: August 18, 2025, 04:46:34 PM »
Teams that play twice in a season more often end up 2-0 than 1-1.  It's science.  Or history.  Or somethin.

Just sayin' ////
Yeah I guess it was you, CD, that posted up those stats.

I don't recall every rematch Texas has played, but the most recent set, the Horns went 0-2.  So I'd rather win than lose that first game.

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Re: #1 Texas (0-0/0-0) at #3 Ohio State (0-0/0-0) Game thread
« Reply #44 on: August 18, 2025, 05:09:20 PM »
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and since 1950 there have been 78 times the same 2 teams played each other twice in the same season.

One team won both 44 times (56.4%)
The teams split 34 times (43.6%)

According to research produced by the NCAA a few years ago, 20 of 33 conference championship game rematches resulted in a win for the team that also won the regular-season game — 60.6%.

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Re: #1 Texas (0-0/0-0) at #3 Ohio State (0-0/0-0) Game thread
« Reply #45 on: August 18, 2025, 06:09:13 PM »
just sayin
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Re: #1 Texas (0-0/0-0) at #3 Ohio State (0-0/0-0) Game thread
« Reply #46 on: August 18, 2025, 06:13:45 PM »
Winning's better than losing.

Winning "the biggest season opener of all time" would feel pretty good.


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Re: #1 Texas (0-0/0-0) at #3 Ohio State (0-0/0-0) Game thread
« Reply #47 on: August 18, 2025, 06:15:20 PM »
yup always take one in the hand

then at worst you bat .500
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Re: #1 Texas (0-0/0-0) at #3 Ohio State (0-0/0-0) Game thread
« Reply #48 on: August 18, 2025, 09:19:26 PM »
Teams that play twice in a season more often end up 2-0 than 1-1.  It's science.  Or history.  Or somethin.

Just sayin' ////
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Re: #1 Texas (0-0/0-0) at #3 Ohio State (0-0/0-0) Game thread
« Reply #49 on: August 19, 2025, 12:19:00 PM »
I don't see a talent edge anywhere between Manning and Sayin.   Maybe a little tougher for Manning to start the season in that place but it ain't going to be stress free for Sayin either.  

Maybe a slight edge to to the Texas defense.
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Re: #1 Texas (0-0/0-0) at #3 Ohio State (0-0/0-0) Game thread
« Reply #50 on: August 19, 2025, 01:23:33 PM »
I don't disagree with the basic idea, but it doesn't really matter whether it's a "good idea" or not.  In 2025 the idea of "conference fit" is archaic and anachronistic.

The fact is that the B12's TV contracts just weren't good enough anymore, to keep Texas and OU media money even roughly close to the teams in the B1G and SEC.  There were only two choices available to Texas, and the SEC was the more logical one because of simple geography.

And for the SEC, it was a no-brainer to add two more blue blood brands, especially given the consolidation moves expected from the B1G at the time.  Rutgers and Maryland and USC and UCLA and Washington and Oregon being in the B1G, make even less sense, but it's a new world order we're living with now in college football.

I agree with FF, the SWC was the ideal conference for Texas to be in.  Short of Supermanning the world backwards 40 years, that's not gonna happen, so the SEC is the logical choice based on regional proximity.
I was late to the college football party, my fandom started after the SWC had dissolved.  That being said, looking back, the SWC struck me as very weak, especially on the national scale.  A bunch of Texas school, and Arkansas.  Sure, Texas was a true blue blood, and Arkansas was very close to being a blue blood 40-50 years ago ( or at least it seemed to me that Arkansas was once a very prestigious program until the 1990's).  A&M was good in the 80's/early 90's, but were atrocious from the late 1950's to the early 80's.  We did have a few good seasons in the 70's.  

I know that at one time Baylor was much better, but they were so bad in the first dozen or so years of the Big 12 it's hard for me to ever imagine them as anything other than perennial losers, even though their football program is much improved the last 10-15 years.  

SMU was worse than Baylor for the same time period, only program ever to get the death penalty.  

Texas Tech-never won the SWC, they're so bad over the last 50 years they make A&M look good.  

UH....just as likely to go 0-12 any given year as they are to go 11-1 or whatever.  Very jeckyl and hyde.  

TCU.....just about the only program to come out better from the post-SWC than anybody else.  I always felt they were imposters, a good team that benefitted from a weak schedule.  After they joined the Big 12, I checked a few times and they had a losing record in the Big 12 despite playing a much weaker conference than the one that existed from 1996-2011.  

Again, the only way I have to judge the old SWC is by the perception of their teams 20-30 years after it folded.  And by those standards it was a terrible conference.  

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Re: #1 Texas (0-0/0-0) at #3 Ohio State (0-0/0-0) Game thread
« Reply #51 on: August 19, 2025, 01:26:31 PM »
The old Big 8 was pretty powerful often as not.  I get them mixed up with the SWC, who was where.

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Re: #1 Texas (0-0/0-0) at #3 Ohio State (0-0/0-0) Game thread
« Reply #52 on: August 19, 2025, 01:29:02 PM »



want to see more flag panting in Columbus. Let's go boys! Hook 'Em.

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Re: #1 Texas (0-0/0-0) at #3 Ohio State (0-0/0-0) Game thread
« Reply #53 on: August 19, 2025, 01:33:30 PM »
The old Big 8 was pretty powerful often as not.  I get them mixed up with the SWC, who was where.
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Re: #1 Texas (0-0/0-0) at #3 Ohio State (0-0/0-0) Game thread
« Reply #54 on: August 19, 2025, 01:49:39 PM »
The old Big 8 was pretty powerful often as not.  I get them mixed up with the SWC, who was where.
Again, this is only my perception as somebody who never watched or followed CFB until 1996.  The Big 8, to me, seemed as if it was OU/NU 98% and then maybe CU/oSu/Mizzou the rest of the time.  Kansas/Kansas St/Iowa St were perennial losers.  The only difference between the SWC and the Big 8 is that at least OU and Nebraska competed well at the national level in bowl games and MNC and the "other" schools were big* state schools, not small private schools like Baylor, SMU, and TCU.  


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« Reply #55 on: August 19, 2025, 01:52:54 PM »
Again, this is only my perception as somebody who never watched or followed CFB until 1996.  The Big 8, to me, seemed as if it was OU/NU 98% and then maybe CU/oSu/Mizzou the rest of the time.  Kansas/Kansas St/Iowa St were perennial losers.  The only difference between the SWC and the Big 8 is that at least OU and Nebraska competed well at the national level in bowl games and MNC and the "other" schools were big* state schools, not small private schools like Baylor, SMU, and TCU. 
I looked up the conference championship records for the Big 8/Big 6 years ago.  I was stunned that it was almost all Neb/OU, and in the years where it was not all OU/NU it was shared with NU/OU and one of oSu/CU/Mizzou.  At least in the SWC you had a lot of different schools winning the conference at different times along the way.  The Big 12 almost devolved to that with OU in the last 20 or so years, I think OU won like 80% of all the conference championships after 2000 or something.  It was crazy.  

 

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