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DunkingDan · « **on:** June 23, 2018, 02:44:44 PM »

Christians, orthodox Jews or anyone with traditional views of sex and marriage should be barred from state university counseling programs unless they agree to violate their beliefs.
That’s the gist of the amicus brief that the ACLU filed on Feb. 11 in a case in which a Christian student is challenging her dismissal from a graduate counseling program at Eastern Michigan University in 2009.
Julea Ward had asked that another student take the case of a homosexual suffering from depression because, being a Christian, she could not affirm the person’s sexual relationships. Miss Ward was dismissed, and filed a lawsuit charging unconstitutional viewpoint discrimination, religious discrimination and compelled speech. On July 26, 2010, a U.S. District Court denied her claim, and she appealed to the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals.
The ACLU’s brief to the appeals court contends that compelling someone to act against her beliefs does not violate her freedoms of religion or speech. They quote the university’s finding that Ward had a “conflict between your values that motivate your behavior and those behaviors expected of your profession.” In other words, you’re a conscientious Christian, so get lost.
This is one of several cases in which Christians have been told to conform to “diversity” requirements or leave counseling programs. At Augusta State University in Georgia, Jennifer Keeton sued in 2010 after being told she had to take re-education courses to counter her Christian morality or be expelled from a master’s program. Losing in a U.S. District Court, she has appealed to the 11th Circuit.
In the Michigan case, the ACLU’s brief rests heavily on the American Counseling Association’s (ACA) Code of Ethics, which prohibits discrimination based on “sexual orientation” and a dozen other characteristics. Julea Ward contends that the code allows referrals to other counselors in situations such as hers.
The brief cites last year’s egregious U.S. Supreme Court ruling (Christian Legal Society vs. Martinez) that upheld the (Berkeley) Hastings College of Law’s decision to eject a Christian legal group for not allowing open homosexuals in leadership positions. Writing for the majority in that case, Associate Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg said:

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“Condemnation of same-sex intimacy is, in fact, a condemnation of gay people,” and “our decisions have declined to distinguish between status and conduct in this context.”

By this reasoning, if you don’t support gluttony, you “condemn” overweight people. Let’s take this apart some more. If, as former ACLU attorney Ginsburg says, conduct defines status, and the ACA’s code says counselors must conform to what amounts to a positive or neutral view of sex outside marriage, then Christians must conduct themselves in a way that violates their beliefs. Their status becomes that of either outlaws or liars.
This is not rocket science. We are witnessing a radical elite bent on replacing natural law with a wholly different set of values, which is what Justice Antonin Scalia said about the legal profession in his Romer v. Evans (1996) and Lawrence v. Texas (2003) dissents.
Many professional associations have climbed aboard this runaway train. If this trend is not halted, the result will be a world full of signs that say, “Christians need not apply.” Just ask Catholic hospitals that are being told to perform abortions – or else.
The underlying problem in the Michigan counseling case is twofold: First, there is no credible scientific evidence that homosexuality, unlike race, such as Julea Ward’s African-American heritage, is in-born and unchangeable. As Colin Powell once pointed out, comparison of race with sexual orientation is “convenient but invalid.” Second, the Constitution explicitly protects religious freedom but is silent on “sexual orientation,” a term concocted in the 20th century as a bludgeon against Judeo-Christianity morality.
So, in the name of the U.S. Constitution, an African-American woman who believes in biblical morality is barred as an unfit bigot from a program that is supposed to teach counselors how to encourage healthy behaviors. On the other hand, people who affirm deviation regardless of consequences face no such sanction.
This is sort of upside-down nonsense is not new, of course. The apostle Paul warned about perversely proud men whose

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“foolish hearts were darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools….God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting.” (Romans 1:22, 28)

The ACLU says the university is making an important ethical distinction. It sure is. Whereas Ms. Ward draws from the Western moral tradition that inspired the U.S. Constitution, the university’s ethics are based on the cause de jour in liberal faculty lounges.
The bottom line is that forcing Ms. Ward (or Ms. Keeton) to pretend to buy into the Left’s pansexual dystopia is supposed to be a reasonable action. If so, then anyone with traditional religious beliefs can be barred from a state institution if they fail to betray their beliefs.
This is no longer remotely about tolerance or civil rights. It’s about turning the nation’s moral values upside down so that wrong is right and right is hate.
The agents of radical change have hijacked the God-given, unalienable rights that were codified precisely to protect people like Julea Ward from unjust discrimination. As the public sector expands, they are bankrupting the nation and moving us closer to the criminalization of Christianity.
In the short run, they must be met with superior legal and political forces. Long term, we must radically reduce the public sector to where it can no longer threaten American liberty.

HT: Townhall.com

P1tchBlack · « **Reply #1 on:** June 23, 2018, 04:49:50 PM »

Christians, orthodox Jews or anyone with traditional views of sex and marriage should be barred from state university counseling programs unless they agree to violate their beliefs.

What do you mean by "violate your beliefs"? If your job is to counsel someone, isn't that what you should do, to the best of your ability, without injecting personal beliefs? Isn't that what we ask of teachers, particularly social studies teachers, who we want to educate but not indoctrinate by injecting personal feelings and bias?

Lots of people have strong beliefs which don't belong at work. Your job is your job. If you want to have a job as a counselor, then do your job as a counselor.

DunkingDan · « **Reply #2 on:** June 23, 2018, 05:23:59 PM »

Quote from: P1tchBlack on June 23, 2018, 04:49:50 PM

I am just a cyber-stalking troll who wants to try and bully someone and can't

As in evidence in so many places you have eyes and do not see, ears and do not hear and a brain and do not think

Thanks for proving so many of my points

Look up in the sky. Its that damned bird point, flying over your head, yet again .

P1tchBlack · « **Reply #3 on:** June 23, 2018, 06:16:25 PM »

^^^when the whole thing begins with a false premise, what is there to build on?^^^^^

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