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Topic: Why are things out of control in Chicago?

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Re: Why are things out of control in Chicago?
« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2020, 12:42:46 PM »
Portland DA will not be prosecuting the rioters.   And we wonder why the violence continues.  


https://townhall.com/tipsheet/juliorosas/2020/08/12/liberal-da-announces-hell-will-not-prosecute-many-of-the-arrested-rioters-portlan-n2574203


Mike Schmidt, who serves as the district attorney for Multnomah County, announced his office will not prosecute the rioters who have been arrested and charged with certain crimes during the months-long unrest the city of Portland has experienced.

There are currently more than 550 pending misdemeanor and felony charges that have been brought up since the protests and riots have started in late May after the death of George Floyd. Schmidt's approach to the charges will result in a "significant portion" of the 550 cases being dropped, according to opb.org.

"In a democracy where speech is so important, being the system that’s being criticized and then using that system to shut down speech,” Schmidt said, “I think we have to hold ourselves to an even higher level of tolerance for that speech to take place."

"The presumption on a lot of these cases that are listed out there is that we won’t prosecute,” he added. "But if there are egregious circumstances or something about the case that stands out, we can always choose to prosecute."

Charges that will be looked at to be dropped include:

Interfering with a police officer
Disorderly conduct
Criminal trespass
Harassment
Escape in the 3rd degree
Riot, in some cases


Schmidt said his office will a "hard look" at cases where those charged with resisting arrest or assault of an officer where there was a use of force by the police.

"If you are a person who is out there demonstrating and you get caught up in the melee and you get arrested for that, because you are out there and having your voice heard, those are the types of cases we are talking about," he explained.


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Schmidt promised those who were arrested for damaging property or causing violence will be prosecuted. The riots saw multiple local police and federal buildings being attacked on a nightly basis, including officers being injured by the thrown projectiles and commercial-grade fireworks.




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Re: Why are things out of control in Chicago?
« Reply #15 on: August 12, 2020, 06:25:12 PM »
Which is exactly why they stopped attacking the Federal building and went elsewhere. Those that got caught attacking the Federal building will likely get 10 years in jail.  They figured that out and moved to other areas where there are zero consequences for their actions.  And yet the left says that the police are the bad guys.... Pathetic really....


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Re: Why are things out of control in Chicago?
« Reply #16 on: August 16, 2020, 01:37:52 AM »
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/394137/#respond



WHEN AUTHORITY VANISHES: Chicago’s leaders have surrendered to vandals.

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The sacking of Chicago’s North Side was more than a tactical failure. For months, key officials—the state’s attorney responsible for prosecution, the mayor, and the governor—have failed to condemn criminals sufficiently or act with necessary force against such violence. They have contributed to a culture of impunity that tolerates mobs and hoodlums.

Kim Foxx, the state’s attorney for Cook County, has already become nationally notorious for refusing to prosecute Jussie Smollett, the actor who lied to the police that he was a victim of racial violence. But her offenses against public order are far worse than her condoning of a provocateur who tried to fracture the city with a falsehood. Foxx has dismissed felony cases brought by the police at a rate 35 percent higher than her predecessor. She raised the threshold for felony shoplifting from $300 to $1,000—and as a result, thieves steal brazenly in broad daylight as well as under cover of darkness. Chicago police chief David Brown suggested that Foxx’s failure to prosecute looters from the previous sacking of the city in June was partly responsible for emboldening the current round of looting.


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Just got back from 2 weeks of power restoration work in NJ and NY, the company I'm working for wanted to go to Chicago to do same. Not a single fellow would go to Cook county.  We passed up 16 hr days at double-time on the local scale (about $115 an hour).

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A buddy works for a courier service that normally runs routes into Chicago. None of the couriers will go there now. They just flat refuse, and the company knows it either fires them all and then has no couriers at all, or just give up on Chicago deliveries. So they pretty much gave up Chicago and the clients have to suffer for it.

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Re: Why are things out of control in Chicago?
« Reply #17 on: August 16, 2020, 09:10:00 AM »
Chicago has been a city of problems for a long time
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Re: Why are things out of control in Chicago?
« Reply #18 on: August 16, 2020, 09:16:10 AM »
Every large city has problems, every one of them.  Perhaps San Diego has fewest, I'm not sure of that.

Chicago is bisected by a relatively wealthy north and very poor south and that generates conflict.  I don't know how to fix it.

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Re: Why are things out of control in Chicago?
« Reply #19 on: August 16, 2020, 10:14:33 AM »
It may be true that every big city has its problems, but it is madness to believe that not enforcing the laws - and allowing the mob to have its way - will do anything but encourage more destruction.   A few neighborhoods in New York handled Antifa the right way.

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/08/when_woke_muscles_meet_men_who_fight.html

Recently, I learned from family, friends, and neighbors what happened when Antifa, seeking to cause havoc, came to an Italian-, Irish-, and now Albanian-American Bronx neighborhood and another almost exclusively Italian-American Bronx neighborhood nearby.

Apparently, when confronted by an organized and motivated opposition, they decided that discretion was the better part of valor and retired from the field of battle.

How unexpected.  When their cowardice was exposed, they took their ball and went home — or, perhaps, to another area where they knew they would not face resistance to their riotous depredations.

The one Bronx neighborhood, which is residential but has many small businesses on the main thoroughfare, did not suffer the riots, looting, arson, and violence that have been prevalent in cities and towns across America.  When Antifa came for it, the Italians, Irish, and Albanians, armed with pistols, rifles, baseball bats, swords, and knives, merged onto the main thoroughfare, blocking it and other tertiary streets.  Faced with armed resistance, Antifa's forces were compelled to accept who and what they are, a band of spoiled white college kids who like to break things, play dress-up, and pretend they are a force to be reckoned with.

Threatening to "cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war," they turned and fast-walked away in different directions.  They most likely decided that it would no longer be fun if they were required to pay a price in blood for their pernicious urgings.

I am told they never returned.

The other Italian neighborhood, not contiguous but not far from the first, and entirely residential, closed the bridge leading into the neighborhood with barricades consisting of their cars and whatever else could be dragged to the fore to create a wall Antifa thugs would need to breach to get to the million-dollar houses located within the area.  Well armed men stood in wait, ready to do what they had to do not to become a news story of loss and sorrow.

Again, Antifa, upon meeting opposition, especially armed opposition, immediately disbursed in different directions, destroying their ability to regroup.

Again, I am told they have not been back.

Antifa before its recent iteration consisted of a ragtag bunch of almost entirely white college kids wearing anything that resembled riot gear, with 55-gallon plastic drums cut in half to serve as shields.  They were a joke.

Yet Antifa during the last few years has received some training and is better organized and probably Soros-supplied with remarkably similar kits — no more fake equipment.  Today, these people sport professional gas masks, sophisticated communication equipment, real riot helmets, some body armor, and occasionally even weapons.  Each individual Antifa seemingly supplies his own black clothing.

Unmarked cars and vans patrolling pre-designated riot areas provide pallets of bricks and frozen water bottles to be used as projectiles against the police.  Select units are supplied with Molotov cocktails to burn pre-selected buildings to the ground.

Their use of urban insurrection tactics is now prevalent, something that was not the case a mere few years ago.  It is obvious that some organization has trained them to work as seemingly organic units waging justified revolution for the cameras.

They exude the aura of success and self-confidence only because Democrat governors and mayors will not allow police to respond and Americans "have not yet begun to fight."

Truthfully, they are not a fighting force; they are not even a gang.  They are still what they have always been: a bunch of cowards who will melt away should they meet organized resistance — especially resistance from well armed locals with skin in the game.

When they are destroying property with no repercussions, they are big and bold, empowered by "woke muscles."  Yet when they meet people who are willing to fight to protect family, property, and livelihoods, they are nothing more than cowardly brats pretending to be bigger and badder than they are.

Most estimates of the number of firearms extant in America put the amount as between 300,000 and 400,000 privately held weapons.  Like most experts and politicians in America on most things (see: Fauci), they are wrong — very wrong. There are probably more than 700,000 firearms in the hands of Americans.

The number of people armed with guns on the main street in the first neighborhood, and on the bridge in the other neighborhood, I have been told, exceeded 60%.  Considering how hard it is to get a gun license in New York City, I would say most were carrying illegally.

Surprisingly, defunding and disarming the police works both ways.

This popular resistance, when Antifa came for their homes and businesses, and with the police demoralized and in retreat, showed the faux rebels they would use force, perhaps even deadly force, to protect their lives, families, livelihoods, and property.

As with all bullies, Antifa folded, choosing to seek areas where no one would fight back.

While not contiguous, these two neighborhoods have a reputation, to some extent earned, as rife with members of organized crime.  The first neighborhood in particular was even singled out under the 1964 civil rights legislation as one of the few locations in America that was required to seek preclearance from the Department of Justice for any new voting changes — such as changing the location of a polling place.  That designation was rescinded only by a 2013 Supreme Court decision during the Obama presidency.

Both neighborhoods are what is commonly called "tight-knit."  But any neighborhood willing to fight back, I suspect, would face similar results.

The rioting continues because Democrat governors and mayors want it to continue.  They believe that the violence and destruction can be used against Trump politically to cost him re-election.  The many Americans who are suffering because of their feckless leadership are, to them, merely necessary collateral damage.  Imagine: if leftists are fine with hurting Americans to gain power, what will they do to us when they have it?

The devolution of society in blue cities and states is a deliberate insurrection targeting the Trump presidency.  It will not stop until either the leftist millenarian bloc controlling Joe Biden gains power should he win the presidency or Americans directly affected by this chaos put an end to it.

Antifa is an illusion that will dissipate when faced with men who "are mad as hell and not going to take it anymore."

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Re: Why are things out of control in Chicago?
« Reply #20 on: August 16, 2020, 06:49:59 PM »
New York improved greatly after Giuliani replaced the inept David Dinkins (I lived in NYC at that time).  Amazing what can change with just one competent leader.

Chicago is bisected by a relatively wealthy north and very poor south and that generates conflict.  I don't know how to fix it.

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