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Topic: Whatever happened to the presumption of innocence?

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HK_Vol

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Whatever happened to the presumption of innocence?
« on: November 19, 2017, 09:29:32 PM »
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WELL, ON COLLEGE CAMPUSES IT WAS ELIMINATED BY THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION: Whatever happened to the presumption of innocence?

The great liberal English barrister John Mortimer called this presumption the “golden thread” running through any progressive idea of justice. And it’s a thread that is being weakened in the febrile post-Weinstein climate.

It is now astonishingly easy to ruin a celebrity or near-celebrity. You can do it with a social media post. Spend five minutes writing a Facebook entry about how so-and-so in Hollywood once did something bad to you and — boom — that person is done for. You can dispatch him from polite society with a press of a button on your cellphone.

Some big hitters, including Weinsten, Toback and Kevin Spacey, have been brought low by numerous similar accusations. Few would doubt that these men deserve the “predator” brand, or lament the fact that they likely won’t find work in Hollywood ever again. Spacey is being erased from Ridley Scott’s “All The Money In The World,” replaced with Christopher Plummer like an out-of-favor commissar airbrushed from a group photo with Stalin. But not all accusations are equally well-substantiated.

In a few hours, George Takei went from a hero of the liberal Twittersphere to a “pervert,” from cultural icon to the object of chortling and finger-pointing. His downfall was authored by a single accuser regarding a single incident in 1981. That someone can be so tarnished on the basis of an allegation older than half of the people on Earth is astounding. In the U.K., the situation is darker still.
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Well, I don’t think George ever said a nice word about the presumption of innocence in sex-abuse cases before. Maybe he appreciates it now.


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Re: Whatever happened to the presumption of innocence?
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2017, 09:31:34 PM »
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Severn •
"First they came for Roy Moore, and I said nothing, for I was not a Christian conservative from Alabama. Then they came for me, George Takei, a woke gay Asian man, and I said 'Hold on now, things are going too far!'"

EndOfPatience •
To paraphrase Kurt Schlichter, "I don't think they'll like living in the world they're creating"


ThomasA • 
In the former Soviet Union, the constantly changing definitions of "crime" were an intentional part of the system. The purpose was to make sure that anyone who was seen as an enemy could be rounded up and punished on short notice, without the necessity of actually demonstrating that the person had done something wrong.

Anyone who has watched the progressives for the last 40 years knows that this is exactly the type of society they are trying to create.

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Re: Whatever happened to the presumption of innocence?
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2017, 01:45:12 AM »

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ROLLING STONE BLAMES THEIR VICTIMS:

Rolling Stone is defending itself against a defamation lawsuit over a discredited article about a University of Virginia gang rape by arguing that members of a school fraternity knew about discrepancies in the woman’s claims weeks before the article was published and should have warned the magazine.

Lawyers for Rolling Stone argue in court documents that the fraternity and its members withheld that information from the magazine and its reporter, “at a time when disclosing such information would have prevented publication” of the woman’s allegations.
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Ashe Schow of the Federalist tweets that Sabrina Erdely, the author of the now discredited article,  “gave them no details about the incident she wanted information for when she reached out to the fraternity.”

Brooklyn College’s K.C. Johnson tweets, “Suggestion that the burden was on the frat to disprove Jackie’s tale (rather than on Erdely to prove it) is quite remarkable.” He describes Rolling Stone’s response as an “Amazing [argument]…frat deliberately misled Erdely to make frat seem guilty (even as Erdely didn’t provide them w/details),” adding that their response “portrays frat as somehow involved in the magazine’s editorial process, as if it were shown a draft of Erdely’s article. (It wasn’t.)”

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Re: Whatever happened to the presumption of innocence?
« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2017, 08:51:40 AM »
We are no longer a nation of laws the animals have taken over the zoo.



If everyone is thinking alike then somebody isn't thinking.

George S. Patton


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Re: Whatever happened to the presumption of innocence?
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Re: Whatever happened to the presumption of innocence?
« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2017, 02:38:40 AM »
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watchwinder • 
" ... that is a price I am absolutely willing to make other people pay."

There. Fixed for honesty.

Jaded ByPolitics • 
That kinda lily white woman would get a black man during Jim Crow either jailed for life or hung by the KKK. The new Democrats same as the old Democrats.


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it would be white women just like you that got blacks jailed during #JimCrow & hung by the KKK on false allegations of rape. Welcome to the new @TheDemocrats same as the old ones.










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Re: Whatever happened to the presumption of innocence?
« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2017, 02:41:39 AM »
awesome retorts... good for them!

man, we're just spiraling, huh?  this country is over.... 

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President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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Re: Whatever happened to the presumption of innocence?
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Re: Whatever happened to the presumption of innocence?
« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2017, 09:37:10 PM »
For the Dems if it is a Christian or a Rep. they are automatically guilty  
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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Re: Whatever happened to the presumption of innocence?
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