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What Does the Fututre Hold?
« on: August 24, 2020, 06:12:18 PM »
Endlessly interesting to speculate about the future.

“It’s hard to predict the future.  Cause you don’t know what’s going to happen.”  — Yogi Berra

I was following along the “2028” thread, and it got me thinking.  Nate and Cincy seem to be having a good conversation about QE, inflation, etc.  And I’ll leave you guys to that, rather than risk hijacking that thread.  I’d like to take the thread topic’s theme — “the future” — to make some more general observations.

With regard to future events/scenarios, I’ve been a doom and gloom guy my entire adult life.  I am, in fact, AMAZED that we haven’t descended into chaos, anarchy, oblivion, and subsequent totalitarianism by this point.  Trillions upon trillions of dollars of unfunded liabilities?  For what — decades now?  Does money actually mean anything anymore?  It does if you only make 20, 30K, sure… but if you have a few billion — what is money, really?

At any rate —

The “state of the world” has been a big part of my embracing Christian faith and theology.  Like (most) everyone — up to my generation, anyway — I had a dim awareness that The Bible talks about “end times” and “Armageddon” and all that.  And that a lot of people maintained, for various reasons, that we were in, or getting close to, those times.

I looked around, back during the Cold War, and the ever present threat of MAD, and thought “I can see that”. 

And no sooner had the Cold War ended, then here comes radical Islam.  China.  Now Covid, domestic unrest and terrorism…

It’s always something.

On the other hand, and for the most part, everybody keeps humping along fairly well.  At least up to Covid.  Lots of expensive SUVS on the road, big houses being built.  Global poverty decreasing.  Poor people in the US living like kings, compared to the experience of the vast numbers of people who ever lived.  HiDef TVs, smartphones, climate control… obesity is a far greater threat than hunger.

Dr. Vernon McGhee nailed it, 50 years ago.  He was asked if the world was getting better, or worse. 

He replied with a list of how it’s getting better:  medicine, transportation, communication, creature comforts and convenience and increased leisure and recreation, etc…

And how it’s getting worse:  cultural degradation, breakdown in family, increased government control, loss of freedom, international conflict, increasingly destructive weapons technology, the threat of global pandemics, etc.

It is plain to anyone who looks closely — believer or secularist — that we are riding a bullet train towards some sort of inevitable climax.  One that’s picking up speed.

Whether it’s the loopy Left’s dire climate change predictions (Gore’s was endgame 2010, as I recall), or the periodic angst related to natural or prophetic events (2012, “blood moons”, eclipses, earthquakes, mass animal die-offs, wildfires) — there’s plenty of fodder to keep the “doomsday” mentality alive.  The prospective asteroid that has our name on it…

Hollywood plays its part.  How many “end of the world” movies and TV shows have been produced in the last 20, 30 years?  Playing to our fears, of course.  There’s money in it…  The only question is — are those fears grounded in realty?  Many will say “meh.  It’s always been this way.” 

I disagree.

The “conspiracy” crowd — who it is foolish to discount out of hand (“just because you’re paranoid…”) — point to a concept called “predictive programming”.  The Satanic cabal that runs this world, “behind the curtain”, HAVE to show us what they have in store for us.  it is part of the ritual “magic”.

Too extreme?  Maybe…

As a Christian, my eschatology is tied to my view of current events.  And my eschatology states that the entire world will be united in worship of the dark spiritual power that is in opposition to the Creator of our cosmos.  And that the Creator has a plan and purpose for His creatures that is directly tied to the “chosen people” to whom He imparted His Law, and through whom “all nations” are blessed, by His incarnation as a man, among those people.  And that those people, and that nation (re-constituted as of 1948) are CENTRAL to events leading up to the return of Jesus Christ, in power and great glory.

All of these things have been affirmed, to varying degrees, on a daily basis, since May 14, 1948.

Since then, we have connected the world through satellites, computers, social media.  Technology is on the verge of opening doors that we have never been through before:  AI, quantum computing, 5 and then 6G; no one knows what might be unleashed as we play with the fundamental aspects and elements of our reality at CERN…

No one can foresee what the implementation of these unprecedented technologies will bring.  We already know that hyper surveillance is one of the products.

Covid has been a great leap forward in the entire process.  It has united the world in unprecedented ways.  And diminished our freedoms.  And opened the door to widespread unrest; that in our divided nation has the potential to tear us apart.

If you were standing in Aug, 23, 2019; and were given a prediction of today — what would your reaction be?  Would you believe it?

Things can change rapidly.  And they will.  Ever more so.

This nation has a pretty fair chance of not surviving this election.  What happens then?  No one knows. 

Here’s what I know.  God is large, and in charge.  He has given us a blueprint for what will happen during the stages leading up to His return on earth.  And the boxes on the checklist just keep getting checked off. 

It’s “interesting”.  And it’s getting a lot more so…

What I want to emphasize here is a general trend that might be easy to overlook.

The Depression/WWII generation has all but passed.  I have conjectured for a long time that God — who in the Bible is repeatedly referred to as judging, or blessing, peoples and nations and generations, as groups — has been withholding His judgment on an increasingly Godless and wicked nation, until the passing of the last generation that was predominantly God-fearing (but NOT “Christian”).

That seems more plausible to me now, than it did 10 years ago.

The time of the Boomers’ leadership and influence is coming to an end.  Ol’ Joe misses being a Boomer by just a couple of years or so.  And he is doddering. 

Even the X-ers are starting to get a little long in the tooth.

As the Millennials and Gen Z become more culturally dominant, eventually supplanting their predecessors, two cultural traits will emerge — in fact, are well under way now:

They will no longer be influenced even by the fumes of Judeo-Christianity to any appreciable degree.  Those fumes are all but exhausted, even now.  The prevailing attitude toward “the man on the plus sign” will range from utter ignorance, to profound indifference, to intense animosity (the latter among the elites; it will trickle down from there).

Nor, surprisingly, will they adhere to the 19th-century materialism that informed their parents and grandparents.  They have been conditioned to accept mysticism, by a science and technology that is increasingly “magical”.  Hyperdimensionalism will an accepted, unquestioned background to their lives.  They will be used to seeing reports of things on a routine basis that rigid materialism cannot accept.  Again — that process is well under way now.  the parameters of what is possible will be greatly expanded.  The generations behind the X-ers will be conditioned for greater conformity, greater control, and for extra-dimensional activity and revelations. 

And for “powerful delusion”.

I’ll leave off there, for now.     

 

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Re: What Does the Fututre Hold?
« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2020, 06:52:50 PM »
I predict that mankind will go extinct shortly after the perfection of sex robots.
1919, 20, 21, 28, 29, 31, 34, 35, 36, 37, 42, 44
WWH: 1952, 54, 55, 57, 58, 60, 61, 62, 63, 65, 67, 68, 70, 72, 74, 75
1979, 81, 82, 84, 87, 94, 98
2001, 02, 04, 05, 06, 07, 08, 09, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19

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Re: What Does the Fututre Hold?
« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2020, 11:28:34 PM »
Endlessly interesting to speculate about the future.

“It’s hard to predict the future.  Cause you don’t know what’s going to happen.”  — Yogi Berra

I was following along the “2028” thread, and it got me thinking.  Nate and Cincy seem to be having a good conversation about QE, inflation, etc.  And I’ll leave you guys to that, rather than risk hijacking that thread.  I’d like to take the thread topic’s theme — “the future” — to make some more general observations.

With regard to future events/scenarios, I’ve been a doom and gloom guy my entire adult life.  I am, in fact, AMAZED that we haven’t descended into chaos, anarchy, oblivion, and subsequent totalitarianism by this point.  Trillions upon trillions of dollars of unfunded liabilities?  For what — decades now?  Does money actually mean anything anymore?  It does if you only make 20, 30K, sure… but if you have a few billion — what is money, really?

At any rate —

The “state of the world” has been a big part of my embracing Christian faith and theology.  Like (most) everyone — up to my generation, anyway — I had a dim awareness that The Bible talks about “end times” and “Armageddon” and all that.  And that a lot of people maintained, for various reasons, that we were in, or getting close to, those times.

I looked around, back during the Cold War, and the ever present threat of MAD, and thought “I can see that”. 

And no sooner had the Cold War ended, then here comes radical Islam.  China.  Now Covid, domestic unrest and terrorism…

It’s always something.

On the other hand, and for the most part, everybody keeps humping along fairly well.  At least up to Covid.  Lots of expensive SUVS on the road, big houses being built.  Global poverty decreasing.  Poor people in the US living like kings, compared to the experience of the vast numbers of people who ever lived.  HiDef TVs, smartphones, climate control… obesity is a far greater threat than hunger.

Dr. Vernon McGhee nailed it, 50 years ago.  He was asked if the world was getting better, or worse. 

He replied with a list of how it’s getting better:  medicine, transportation, communication, creature comforts and convenience and increased leisure and recreation, etc…

And how it’s getting worse:  cultural degradation, breakdown in family, increased government control, loss of freedom, international conflict, increasingly destructive weapons technology, the threat of global pandemics, etc.

It is plain to anyone who looks closely — believer or secularist — that we are riding a bullet train towards some sort of inevitable climax.  One that’s picking up speed.

Whether it’s the loopy Left’s dire climate change predictions (Gore’s was endgame 2010, as I recall), or the periodic angst related to natural or prophetic events (2012, “blood moons”, eclipses, earthquakes, mass animal die-offs, wildfires) — there’s plenty of fodder to keep the “doomsday” mentality alive.  The prospective asteroid that has our name on it…

Hollywood plays its part.  How many “end of the world” movies and TV shows have been produced in the last 20, 30 years?  Playing to our fears, of course.  There’s money in it…  The only question is — are those fears grounded in realty?  Many will say “meh.  It’s always been this way.” 

I disagree.

The “conspiracy” crowd — who it is foolish to discount out of hand (“just because you’re paranoid…”) — point to a concept called “predictive programming”.  The Satanic cabal that runs this world, “behind the curtain”, HAVE to show us what they have in store for us.  it is part of the ritual “magic”.

Too extreme?  Maybe…

As a Christian, my eschatology is tied to my view of current events.  And my eschatology states that the entire world will be united in worship of the dark spiritual power that is in opposition to the Creator of our cosmos.  And that the Creator has a plan and purpose for His creatures that is directly tied to the “chosen people” to whom He imparted His Law, and through whom “all nations” are blessed, by His incarnation as a man, among those people.  And that those people, and that nation (re-constituted as of 1948) are CENTRAL to events leading up to the return of Jesus Christ, in power and great glory.

All of these things have been affirmed, to varying degrees, on a daily basis, since May 14, 1948.

Since then, we have connected the world through satellites, computers, social media.  Technology is on the verge of opening doors that we have never been through before:  AI, quantum computing, 5 and then 6G; no one knows what might be unleashed as we play with the fundamental aspects and elements of our reality at CERN…

No one can foresee what the implementation of these unprecedented technologies will bring.  We already know that hyper surveillance is one of the products.

Covid has been a great leap forward in the entire process.  It has united the world in unprecedented ways.  And diminished our freedoms.  And opened the door to widespread unrest; that in our divided nation has the potential to tear us apart.

If you were standing in Aug, 23, 2019; and were given a prediction of today — what would your reaction be?  Would you believe it?

Things can change rapidly.  And they will.  Ever more so.

This nation has a pretty fair chance of not surviving this election.  What happens then?  No one knows. 

Here’s what I know.  God is large, and in charge.  He has given us a blueprint for what will happen during the stages leading up to His return on earth.  And the boxes on the checklist just keep getting checked off. 

It’s “interesting”.  And it’s getting a lot more so…

What I want to emphasize here is a general trend that might be easy to overlook.

The Depression/WWII generation has all but passed.  I have conjectured for a long time that God — who in the Bible is repeatedly referred to as judging, or blessing, peoples and nations and generations, as groups — has been withholding His judgment on an increasingly Godless and wicked nation, until the passing of the last generation that was predominantly God-fearing (but NOT “Christian”).

That seems more plausible to me now, than it did 10 years ago.

The time of the Boomers’ leadership and influence is coming to an end.  Ol’ Joe misses being a Boomer by just a couple of years or so.  And he is doddering. 

Even the X-ers are starting to get a little long in the tooth.

As the Millennials and Gen Z become more culturally dominant, eventually supplanting their predecessors, two cultural traits will emerge — in fact, are well under way now:

They will no longer be influenced even by the fumes of Judeo-Christianity to any appreciable degree.  Those fumes are all but exhausted, even now.  The prevailing attitude toward “the man on the plus sign” will range from utter ignorance, to profound indifference, to intense animosity (the latter among the elites; it will trickle down from there).

Nor, surprisingly, will they adhere to the 19th-century materialism that informed their parents and grandparents.  They have been conditioned to accept mysticism, by a science and technology that is increasingly “magical”.  Hyperdimensionalism will an accepted, unquestioned background to their lives.  They will be used to seeing reports of things on a routine basis that rigid materialism cannot accept.  Again — that process is well under way now.  the parameters of what is possible will be greatly expanded.  The generations behind the X-ers will be conditioned for greater conformity, greater control, and for extra-dimensional activity and revelations. 

And for “powerful delusion”.

I’ll leave off there, for now.     

 

Well put. I believe as you do that the US is on the way out. The question is whether this is just another step change in the history of the world, or is this a signal of the next step to the end times.

The globalist movement is real, and for it to move forward it has to slay the American dream. It can’t show it will do better, it therefore has to make the dream look as much like a nightmare as possible. Pretty much accomplishing their aim through the true believers and the useful idiots. At least so far....

what makes me believe that it is more akin to the end times is the proliferation of data driven control over our lives, which seems to track with some elements of Revelations. 

The two Combine to a general understanding of the mark of the beast, at least to my poor understanding of it. 

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« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2020, 02:34:32 AM »
"If it ain't a mess, it'll do until the mess gets here."

I look at my little girl and listen while she plays care free with her friends, and i feel guilt from time to time.  She'll never know the relative peace and at least opportunity to prosperity i did.... for the most part i've squandered mine, and that makes it even worse- akin to wasting money on stupid frivolous things when you have it, and looking hard at a scratch off lottery card that you can't eat when you're holding your last $5...

i don't know and won't speculate the things that can happen.  there is a never ending string and cascade of possibilities that makes such speculation the same as shaking a magic eight ball, peeking through the glass, and basing a substantial decision on whatever it tells you... however, i can tell you all this with a straight face and in complete honesty (at least from my perspective) : there is a feeling in the air of foreboding and of the species that isn't wrong.  something is coming, and it isn't good. 

i always return to this.. i don't know why to be honest- it's been something in my mind since it was first witnessed, and has been hashed a thousand and one different ways also in my mind- i've shared it before, i'll be brief- i may even be able to do it in one sentence....

"I recall being in war torn eastern africa where people killed people- sometimes their own family- for food, for ammo, for anything that gave them hope."...

everything after that last comma came from the subconscious... and, i like it... it fits better than i've ever expressed it before. 

we can apply whatever reasoning or string theory we want to our present condition, i suppose.. and the study of that might mean something to some advanced future society as words of warning, but i just don't see what good it does us here and now.

i've always been a person who was gifted with the ability to plan... there is a trick to it- and that is identifying the opportunities for chaos to ensue, and the type that can't be extorted for gain- differentiating it from 'other' points of interest and shaving the possibilities to only a few- you basically think it through, identify these milestone events if you would, then scrap the entire 'thing' and reverse engineer the whole prospect in such a way there would be a minimum of possible outcomes for those milestone events.  then, invent or retread prior planning into reactionary procedures that hinge on that milestone.... know them cold and be comfortable enough taking the direction fate deals you.  sounds easy, and it isn't that hard, but it's tricky.  it's kinda fun as it exercises reason logic and intersects with imagination...

i don't have a good enough plan for what's coming.  and mostly because i don't know what that is.  i don't even know the nature of it- and i mean it just like i said.  i think in terms of staples.. what would be needed in any case or prospect... i figure ammo is good to have... so is health and endurance.  but.... i'll be the first one to say that my condition and conditioning is the author of that more so than a nose good at sniffing rain, so to speak..... but that's the point, too- i don't think anyone is ready for what's coming.  but i'm certain something is.  I think most people are.. even those previously considered grounded and reasonable.

a thorn in my thought process keeps snagging passing thoughts.  i've shared it here.  i believe it.  i don't know if this is forecast of catalyst, of distinguishing friend/foe, anything in between, or speaking of the storms wake- but....

things can't march as hard one direction as they have over the last 11 years without a hard core bitchin' abrupt in the way lightning strikes and landscape changing in the way finding out your mom's turned gay would do without there being an equal and opposite newtons third law appreciating super balls ain't got nuthin' on this rebound snatch back the other direction.  Some of y'all are right now smiling or smirking thinking 'hell yeah', but that is exactly what we're talking about- hell- because when towers fall they shiver first- announce their instability and then fall in a right damn hurry.  jerking left and yanking right to the degree and over the real estate and expanse i'm suggesting isn't exactly a shiver, instead it's the definition of instability.... and here we are, on the cusp.  i don't care to argue and i don't figure there is need..... i don't know how any conscious American can't feel the vibrations throbbing from inside the center, whatever that center is, and know that by the time it translates to the reach of it's tentacles it will not be a vibration but the mother of all bull whip snaps- and at or exceeding the speed of sound, quick.

good intentions... i have a lot of them.. and i never live up to them- instead i confront the stupid things that set these events into motion through anger and confusion, embarrassment/shame or plain hurt- replacing those primary responses with anger and rage and causing tremors on that same connective tissue that binds us all--- something more akin to energy than tissue? --- dunno... but...

something is coming and i'm not sure there is a single person capable and alive who has thought it through and stands qualified as a vector in the darkness.  sure- there are those who think they do... but.... they have no idea beyond a certain milestone what's next- they just want you to believe they do so they can believe it too...

i quoted "No Country for Old Men" in the opening line.... I'm going to quote it again, this time in a video.  Operative phrase: "even in a contest between man and steer the issue is not certain".


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHnMFX2OuhM
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« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2020, 02:43:27 AM »
“Throughout history, poverty is the normal condition of man. Advances which permit this norm to be exceeded — here and there, now and then — are the work of an extremely small minority, frequently despised, often condemned, and almost always opposed by all right-thinking people. Whenever this tiny minority is kept from creating, or (as sometimes happens) is driven out of a society, the people then slip back into abject poverty.

This is known as "bad luck.”


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« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2020, 03:55:08 AM »
I agree.  Something, is coming.  It’s that same uneasiness that wells up in your gut when you know your gonna have to fight.  The clash of certainty and uncertainty.  It’s a nagging sensation like the never-ending torture of Tinnitus.  The alarms aren’t wailing, but they are certainly winding up.

There’s a voice from deep within softly and repeatedly saying “prepare”.  But that voice isn’t even sure of itself.  That voice has no idea what the “Danger” is. 

I don’t know if it’s end times or just the end of life as we know it.  I’m not educated enough to speak on end times and if that’s what coming, I definitely ain’t prepared.

What is coming though, at least I’m fairly certain is coming, is a reckoning.  Tolerance and forgiveness only go so far before our animalistic tendencies begin to overwhelm.  If Fuzzy and other communists are correct about the racist, xenophobic, homophobic, Fascistic, barbarian nature of America and more specifically White America, they have most certainly picked the wrong fight. 

Liken it to the fable of the frog in boiling water. 
For years the heat has been slowly rising, but the frog has not noticed and remained content.  Instead of continuing to let the heat build and leading the frog to its death, gasoline has been poured unto the fire.  We’ve taken notice.  It won’t be long until we jump out of the pot. 




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« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2020, 04:54:19 AM »
I'm not totally convinced, but increasingly of the opinion that the US does indeed need to split into two (or three) separate countries.  Better to live apart peacefully than to live together at war with one another.

Half of America truly wants to be socialist and with race quotas because of "fairness" whereas the other half wants a capitalistic system based on rule of law and equality under the law with no preferences for anyone - just opportunities for anyone and everyone to thrive while pretty much being left alone by the Government.  Maybe we do break up, allow everyone five years to decide which system they want to live under, and we can see which one thrives best.

I am so very tired of the grievance industry - and it is an industry nowadays...

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« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2020, 07:37:50 AM »
I tend to think an error often made is what I've termed confusion of "noise" with "numbers".  Noisy people make the news, even if their numbers are very small.  And the news creates perceptions that such noise is wide spread.  I know around here when the protests were happening, they were very localized.  A person could drive around for hours in the city and see not a whiff of protest or looting or damage.  But the news shows the protests and results of looting, usually in exaggerated form.

That's just one example.  Folks on social media feature someone "on the other side" saying something objectionable to create the appearance that everyone on the other side is similarly objectionable.

Think about coverage of some shooting at a school, it's nonstop, and it creates the impression that these things happen "all the time", so we have to "do something".  Then there is the "normal" shooting news in places like Baltimore or St. Louis we never hear about nationally.

I maintain MOST of "us" in the country are pretty moderate, we want the same end results, we have somewhat different suggestions about how to get there.  Most folks out there don't agree with people like AOC and Bernie.  The ones who do generate noise.  Most folks don't care much for Trump, but some of them will vote for him as the LOTE.

In my view, if Biden wins, the country after 8 years will look pretty much the same as it would were Trump reelected.  Some fairly moderate legislation would be passed and we'd have more regulations about whatever and the courts would be repacked in the other direction.  

Speaking of courts, I pointed out a while back that most SCOTUS decisions are 9-0 or 5-4, and many of them never make the news because they are about something rather technical.  There is no left or right on some patent case for example.

Anyway, very large entities tend to be blundering along because they are large, and the inefficiency and mistakes are an unfortunate part of the game.  One thing I think will look quite different in 15-20 years is out transportation sector.


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« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2020, 01:33:46 PM »
@Cincydawg i can appreciate your position... and, i hope you're right in the element that the 'noise' doesn't represent the actual circumstances nor masses.

however...

and I apologize, as i keep coming back to it... over and over and over... and over...

The Habar Gidir were a group of folks led by a former police chief who was targeted and persecuted for his rising power.  He was tremendously popular with his staff and had key connections with other clan leaders. 

This former police chief, General Hussein Mohammed Farah Aidid, 'represented' around 2% of the nation in 'active supporters'.  His opposition, who had seen him jailed as a strategy to undermine his rising popularity and who went by the name of Ali Mahdi Mohamed, represented around 4% of the nations population in active support.  They were once in alliance in an organization to bring the nation of Somalia to prosperity called the United Somali Congress.

6% of that nation brought the other 94% kicking and screaming..... folks went to work one day and all was well except for the tickle somewhere they couldn't explain or describe that something was wrong- something was coming.  They tore that country apart and in short order and those who had no interest or even idea of what was happening or why were tossed into the foray.  It still rages on there, as groups surface just to get dropped cold like some absurd version of whack a mole- sometimes it's the US and her allies that whack these groups (such is the case with Al Qaeda and various other terrorists groups exploiting the circumstances and resources of what remains of that country) and sometimes it's their own domestic groups that do the whacking, who are primarily comprised of criminal outfits that watched The Godfather and the Soprano's one too many times.

which is all to say:  it doesn't matter that only a small percentage is set for mayhem... they're 'large' enough to screw us all.  It's not like whatever is on our horizon will stop and take a vote and the Nay's will have it...

they've undermined our police.  they've made villan of our president and supporters, along with the remainder of the 'right' in their 'story', which amounts to indoctrination... and who are 'they'? Media... that's the easy answer... but it isn't media, exactly.  those are just the tools... it's the folks who've made agent of media- who own the media, and who own something more insidious than the media too-  which is access to data and the ability to parse elements of that data into actionable conditions to ignite unrest- which is inline with @Volitale 's 'frog'.  The same players are behind it all- and i don't think the democrat's are smart enough to realize it isn't themselves they are empowering, it's those who can turn on them in a nanosecond as soon as they use them to disrupt or destroy half of this groups 'problem'..

even ol' Sun Tzu knew and shared, short of the slang: "a smart fella sets his enemy against themselves so they do half his work for him".

he also said something else.... and it's been on my mind as i watch the development- knowing 'my' side awaits a fight, and knowing 'their' side is working toward the same end.... and the reason why i continuously say "as soon as the first round goes downrange, we've all lost"... that Sun Tzu quote is "Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win"...

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Re: What Does the Fututre Hold?
« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2020, 04:06:18 PM »

This is a reply I had started for Cincy, However I have not spent a lot of time on it and the inclination is not there to do any more. A few words have been added here and here over the past few weeks,  but my time is needed elsewhere and I am tired of staring at this file on my desk.

IMO and many others we are heading into or are in the end times and Cincy has made light of it in the past, or I should say showed his lack of understanding so that is where this originated.

I am not editing for clarity, typos, misspellings etc. With that said here goes

You have asked about some issues that I have not answered. I am going to address some of those currently. Take note this is not to engage in a debate or have a lengthy exchange - mainly as I don’t have a lot of time nor inclination to have lengthy discussion. However, that is not saying I won’t answer at some point either, I may just bookmark it and answer when I get around to it. I can also look up and find a source in your area that may give you an in depth face to face discussion over some of these issues if you so desire

Sorry if it appears to ramble some. I am typing this in word so I can add a few things over a few days as I think on it, but I am not going to edit it very much, if any. 

Many of these issues have been covered in depth at various times in the past both on this board and the original A51. So, that too adds to my inclination to not rehash anything to any depth.

As to Orthodox, it is the closest thing to what Christ and the Apostles put forth as a means of worship, what Christ said and what he and the Bible actually means/says in context (I have already in the past discussed understand the language the text was written in/ the culture of the times/ how it relates to the rest of the Bible/ realizing the OT is mostly about Christ and the NT is Christ revealed/ grasping the different natures of many of the different types of writing in the Holy Bible/ etc.) . There are many tests to this, and they all pass any sniff test. Many religions have attempted to get back to Orthodoxy, but they still fall short. That’s ok. God/Christ did not say thou shall be Orthodox, but they set forth certain standards.

No one Christian faith has an exclusive right to the Gates to the Kingdom. Many Baptist are essentially Orthodox both Pastors, parishioners and theologians as are other Christian Religions. However, many of the Religions are only worthy of saying “Satan, get thee behind me’’ to. This is not all the individuals of some individual Churches of those Religions fall into this category as they do not follow the non-Biblical or as some would say man made (or modernity) teaching of their Church Denomination will miss out on going though the Pearly Gates. I can only guess what the Fathers would say if they saw some of what we have now. The Book of Revelation addresses this is well.

Christ laid out some markers as to the end time, as does the rest of the Bible. Christ himself said only the father knows the day and time, but there are signs.  However, to take them one by one is a mistake Biblically speaking. The End Times of modernity as well as the Left Behind is fiction, IMO but the end result is the same as are many of the events and to avoid confusion and argument I am not dwelling on them here. In the past I have posted some things from the elders and monks have said as well as some current Church Leaders. It is difficult to put a finger on and even harder to explain to a catechumen, little alone one who has their own thoughts fueled by a lifetime of misinformation. That is not to say that everything you or others have read, been taught, etc. is wrong but for many it is. However, the more you verse yourself in the world and see what is going on, it is impossible to ignore prophecies playing out before your eyes. Likewise, despite what modernist tell you, something the Bible speaks of are mysteries. We are not meant to have a full understanding until God lifts the veil. If you like I can give you a small list of books concerning this.

Now Volbrigade/Ou believes in the more modern theory as to how it will all unfold, but the end result is the same. That is ok. His modernity is still the same message in that the results are the same, what was evil is still evil, what was good is still good, Christ is the only path, etc. It is not from a differ book or with different rules, etc.

I would go on, but it is not worth my time at this time. 
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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Re: What Does the Fututre Hold?
« Reply #11 on: August 25, 2020, 04:21:44 PM »
In a word?  Socialism.  

And I say that as a business owner, entrepreneur and arguably the purest capitalist on this board.  

Artificial intelligence will continue to eat away at more and more jobs every year.  Those who think we'll just employ more people to manufacture and repair the various AI technologies are whistling past the graveyard - AI will eventually be able to man perform those jobs as well.  Historically, automation has always been about replacing human physical labor, but the AI revolution is also replacing human cognition.  There'll be nothing left to do.  

Mass unemployment is inevitable, and those masses are going to have to be cared for somehow in the new world.  

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Re: What Does the Fututre Hold?
« Reply #12 on: August 25, 2020, 04:43:25 PM »
In a word?  Socialism. 

And I say that as a business owner, entrepreneur and arguably the purest capitalist on this board. 

Artificial intelligence will continue to eat away at more and more jobs every year.  Those who think we'll just employ more people to manufacture and repair the various AI technologies are whistling past the graveyard - AI will eventually be able to man perform those jobs as well.  Historically, automation has always been about replacing human physical labor, but the AI revolution is also replacing human cognition.  There'll be nothing left to do. 

Mass unemployment is inevitable, and those masses are going to have to be cared for somehow in the new world. 
No Fuzz, that'll be the end of civil civilization. Turning towards socialism won't be the answer because the socialist don't and won't give a damn about you or anyone else. It's about power and wealth for them, scraps for us. It will then become the will of the strongest to survive. People will fight viciously to survive and the weak will parish. 100's of millions will die across the globe. The movie Mad Max will come to fruition right before our eyes. 

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Re: What Does the Fututre Hold?
« Reply #13 on: August 25, 2020, 04:45:40 PM »
In a word?  Socialism. 

And I say that as a business owner, entrepreneur and arguably the purest capitalist on this board. 

Artificial intelligence will continue to eat away at more and more jobs every year.  Those who think we'll just employ more people to manufacture and repair the various AI technologies are whistling past the graveyard - AI will eventually be able to man perform those jobs as well.  Historically, automation has always been about replacing human physical labor, but the AI revolution is also replacing human cognition.  There'll be nothing left to do. 

Mass unemployment is inevitable, and those masses are going to have to be cared for somehow in the new world. 


There is absolutely no question that this is already happening and will continue.  It is a scary thought to me. 

Idle hands = no good. 

A man’s work gives him purpose, self esteem, and allows him to fulfill his duties to provide for his family.  Without meaningful work = no good.

Could be an ugly landscape in the near future. 

 

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