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Topic: We are so blessed go have leaders like Maxine Waters:

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MaximumSam

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Re: We are so blessed go have leaders like Maxine Waters:
« Reply #70 on: April 22, 2021, 12:15:30 PM »
Why protest a police shooting where the evidence is not yet in, and what we see suggests it was necessary?

It's a kneejerk mindless reaction that turns a LOT of people off from the issue.
To prevent further deaths? It is a Catch 22 - there won't be much of an investigation unless people protest, but people shouldn't protest until they see the investigation. That's some catch.

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Re: We are so blessed go have leaders like Maxine Waters:
« Reply #71 on: April 22, 2021, 12:20:05 PM »
The nature of any investigation would not change an iota because of protests.  That is fatuous nonsense.

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« Reply #72 on: April 22, 2021, 12:25:01 PM »
It is a Catch 22 - there won't be much of an investigation unless people protest, but people shouldn't protest until they see the investigation. That's some catch.

Sounds like any investigation and protest (some folks called it insurrection) of 2020 election fraud.

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« Reply #73 on: April 22, 2021, 12:25:05 PM »
I did. You said, for example, the Wright killing should not be protested. I said it should be an illustrated why. While it certainly looks like a sad accident, it still resulted in someone's death.
 
People who protested the Wright killing we're carrying signs that said, "No more mistakes!"  "Don't be human!"  "Accidents should be impossible!"  They were protesting a white cop killing a black man.  The illiberal left has become protest-happy.  It's a disgrace to rationalism.  

We spend countless dollars on preventing accidents every year. In the United States, we have averaged around 50 deaths via lightning strike, certainly much fewer than those killed by the police. Yet at a lot of soccer fields and sporting events, there is technology to detect possible lightning and suspend play. This is a pain in the ass, but it does prevent a handful of deaths.

I don't oppose taking precautions - I do oppose baseless, counterproductive protests.  

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Re: We are so blessed go have leaders like Maxine Waters:
« Reply #74 on: April 22, 2021, 12:25:11 PM »
The nature of any investigation would not change an iota because of protests.  That is fatuous nonsense.
The idea that investigators aren't influenced by politics is naive nonsense. And by politics, I don't mean Democrats and Republicans. I mean avoiding blowback from concerned parties, and "cops" as a whole have been concerned parties who have been unafraid to throw their weight around to whatever extent possible. 

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« Reply #75 on: April 22, 2021, 12:26:31 PM »

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People who protested the Wright killing we're carrying signs that said, "No more mistakes!"  "Don't be human!"  "Accidents should be impossible!"  They were protesting a white cop killing a black man.  The illiberal left has become protest-happy.  It's a disgrace to rationalism.  
Many voters are illogical and a disgrace to rationalism. Voting - still good.

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Re: We are so blessed go have leaders like Maxine Waters:
« Reply #76 on: April 22, 2021, 12:27:44 PM »
To prevent further deaths? It is a Catch 22 - there won't be much of an investigation unless people protest, but people shouldn't protest until they see the investigation. That's some catch.
Why don't you ever whine about police shooting whites?
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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Re: We are so blessed go have leaders like Maxine Waters:
« Reply #77 on: April 22, 2021, 12:29:50 PM »
Sounds like any investigation and protest (some folks called it insurrection) of 2020 election fraud.
I could only imagine this board if after a protest, the facts actually showed no black people were killed by police or harmed in any way, yet states still changed their laws to accommodate the "feelings" of black people.

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Re: We are so blessed go have leaders like Maxine Waters:
« Reply #78 on: April 22, 2021, 12:30:01 PM »
Why don't you ever whine about police shooting whites?

I've been alluding to that with him now for a while.

Hence my Anglo-Saxon comments.

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« Reply #79 on: April 22, 2021, 12:30:33 PM »
To prevent further deaths? It is a Catch 22 - there won't be much of an investigation unless people protest, but people shouldn't protest until they see the investigation. That's some catch.
All the killings that have prompted investigations have done so because they were on video, not because they were protested.  


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« Reply #80 on: April 22, 2021, 12:30:56 PM »
Why don't you ever whine about police shooting whites?
I have actually. Just not here because you guys usually focus on the black people who get killed.

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« Reply #81 on: April 22, 2021, 12:33:04 PM »
I have actually. Just not here because you guys usually focus on the black people who get killed.

We focus on national news.  It seems to be their singular interest.

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« Reply #82 on: April 22, 2021, 12:33:25 PM »
All the killings that have prompted investigations have done so because they were on video, not because they were protested. 

Eh, that's a chicken and egg thing. Lots of protests stem from the fact that there is a video and not just a floppy-wristed PR release designed to shield the cops from any responsibility. In fact, lots of them are on video that you never see because there is no public outcry that forces their release.

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« Reply #83 on: April 22, 2021, 12:34:04 PM »
I have actually. Just not here because you guys usually focus on the black people who get killed.
Who is focusing in blacks getting killed.
Cite examples of white people.
Do you ever protest people regardless of skin color killing police? 
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

 

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