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Topic: We are so blessed go have leaders like Maxine Waters:

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Re: We are so blessed go have leaders like Maxine Waters:
« Reply #56 on: April 22, 2021, 01:44:05 AM »
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Re: We are so blessed go have leaders like Maxine Waters:
« Reply #59 on: April 22, 2021, 01:52:43 AM »

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Re: We are so blessed go have leaders like Maxine Waters:
« Reply #60 on: April 22, 2021, 07:07:05 AM »
What salient points?
You haven't addressed a single point I've made in this thread.  Your counter argument has been to accuse me of not caring about people getting killed, and that you disagree with giving cops an unabated license to kill (as if that was ever anyone's point).  

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« Reply #61 on: April 22, 2021, 07:13:53 AM »
You haven't addressed a single point I've made in this thread.  Your counter argument has been to accuse me of not caring about people getting killed, and that you disagree with giving cops an unabated license to kill (as if that was ever anyone's point). 
I don't know what point you are making. You keep saying I am missing your point, but your words were that most police killings should be excused, you would give them a medal, including, for example, the officer who killed Daunte Wright, because he didn't comply with police instruction and any other fact is irrelevant. Also people shouldn't protest because police killing people is a pseudoproblem that doesn't really matter. 

Those are more about what you value than any sort of factual point. I value things differently.

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Re: We are so blessed go have leaders like Maxine Waters:
« Reply #62 on: April 22, 2021, 07:53:25 AM »
I don't know what point you are making.
 
Yes, you do.

You keep saying I am missing your point

I don't think you're missing them, I think you're ignoring them because you have no counterargument.  

but your words were that most police killings should be excused

Because most are justified.  There you go ignoring my salient points again.  

you would give them a medal, including, for example, the officer who killed Daunte Wright

I wouldn't give her a medal - she made an honest mistake which should not have resulted in protests.  That's yet another of my points that you've mischaracterized without honestly addressing.

because he didn't comply with police instruction
 
That's why she tried to taze him, and why he was accidentally shot.  You refuse to be honest about anything I'm saying.  

and any other fact is irrelevant.
 
You haven't offered any other facts regarding that situation.

Also people shouldn't protest
 
Most of the killings that have resulted in protests were "good kills."  You have dodged that point.

because police killing people is a pseudoproblem that doesn't really matter.

Racist cops murdering innocent blacks is not a problem worthy of the social upheaval we're seeing.  

Those are more about what you value than any sort of factual point. I value things differently.

Come on, Sammy.

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Re: We are so blessed go have leaders like Maxine Waters:
« Reply #63 on: April 22, 2021, 08:09:12 AM »

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Most of the killings that have resulted in protests were "good kills."  You have dodged that point.
This is not a fact. This is an opinion. I get that you think all these kills are hunky dory. That does not mean I am required to think the same thing.


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« Reply #65 on: April 22, 2021, 11:27:16 AM »
This is not a fact. This is an opinion.
 
Fair enough.

I get that you think all these kills are hunky dory.
 
Nope, not fair - I said most.

That does not mean I am required to think the same thing.

Fair enough.  My point was that you're not addressing any of my points which is okay - I'm used to it around here.   

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Re: We are so blessed go have leaders like Maxine Waters:
« Reply #66 on: April 22, 2021, 11:50:31 AM »
If "most" police shootings are NOT appropriate and legal, does that mean "most" are NOT?

I don't think the latter is consistent with what we know about the police shootings that occur.  Of course, one can claim the "facts" are not really facts, but then one is making them up from inference and political spin, as we have no other "facts" or evidence.

The EVIDENCE clearly shows MOST police shootings are necessary and within department policy.  Anything else is based on no evidence, just inference.

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Re: We are so blessed go have leaders like Maxine Waters:
« Reply #67 on: April 22, 2021, 12:09:40 PM »

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Fair enough.  My point was that you're not addressing any of my points which is okay - I'm used to it around here.   
I did. You said, for example, the Wright killing should not be protested. I said it should be an illustrated why. While it certainly looks like a sad accident, it still resulted in someone's death. We spend countless dollars on preventing accidents every year. In the United States, we have averaged around 50 deaths via lightning strike, certainly much fewer than those killed by the police. Yet at a lot of soccer fields and sporting events, there is technology to detect possible lightning and suspend play. This is a pain in the ass, but it does prevent a handful of deaths. 

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Re: We are so blessed go have leaders like Maxine Waters:
« Reply #68 on: April 22, 2021, 12:11:45 PM »
Why protest a police shooting where the evidence is not yet in, and what we see suggests it was necessary?

It's a kneejerk mindless reaction that turns a LOT of people off from the issue.


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Re: We are so blessed go have leaders like Maxine Waters:
« Reply #69 on: April 22, 2021, 12:14:01 PM »
If "most" police shootings are NOT appropriate and legal, does that mean "most" are NOT?

I don't think the latter is consistent with what we know about the police shootings that occur.  Of course, one can claim the "facts" are not really facts, but then one is making them up from inference and political spin, as we have no other "facts" or evidence.

The EVIDENCE clearly shows MOST police shootings are necessary and within department policy.  Anything else is based on no evidence, just inference.
I posted what the Minneapolis police told the public about the George Floyd killing. At some point, if we are having honest conversations, we need to honestly talk about the difference in how a homicide is treated when it is by a cop and when it isn't. We are certainly conditioned, from a young age, to think the cops are doing good and make good decisions. This concept is deep rooted, and hard to overcome, as we see in this thread.

 

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