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Topic: We are so blessed go have leaders like Maxine Waters:

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DunkingDan

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Re: We are so blessed go have leaders like Maxine Waters:
« Reply #182 on: April 24, 2021, 02:20:48 PM »
May be an image of text that says 'THE AMERICAN PEOPLE GOT OVER RACE housing section8 welfare affimmative But the Democratic Party the party of the Confederacy, Jim Crow, the KKK, affirmative action, and welfare programs that trap minorities in poverty still obsessed with race.'
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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Re: We are so blessed go have leaders like Maxine Waters:
« Reply #183 on: April 24, 2021, 02:27:27 PM »
The part other communities fail to recognize is the inherited privileges whites enjoy... its true.  Their forefathers and mothers worked their asses off for generations to build an inheritable asset, and that includes favor. 

This nation was founded by people not afraid to set out on their own.  It was founded by indentured servants.  It was founded by former prisoners in the south.  It was a hard life and yes there was slavery.  Those slaves made wealth for a small percentage of property owners, and the slaves themselves had it easier in many cases than the struggling settlers... but let's ignore that. 

Being someone's son matters.  They enter carrying the reputation of their fathers until proven otherwise.  It's up to them to protect it.  Likewise, those who come from crime are held suspect, and fairly so.  We can pretend otherwise, but its disingenuous.  Economics isn't in play- reputation is.  If a  man is known as a hard worker and honest person they'll go places.... they may not encounter opportunities their age peers do, but they'll lay the groundwork for their children...

Demanding something not earned is what the accusation of white privilege is, plain and simple. That didn't come free.  Acting as if it did is countering the precise same position of demanding restitution from whites for slavery. 

Seriously... if you demand restitution you're categorically opposed to white privilege's basis.. if you're a believer in white privilege then you are opposed to restitution's basis.  Either a person holds their heirs responsible for their station or they take personal responsibility for their station... in truth it's a bit of both but the paradox isn't that complicated to grasp.

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« Reply #184 on: April 24, 2021, 03:56:24 PM »
Scanning through the thread.  JG, as always, nails it.  Thought I was in an alternate universe for awhile.  Fuzz actually made a little sense…. don’t do that again.  It kinks the cosmos.

Sam, your hysterical hand-wringing is feminine.

Here’s the deal:

Two-parent black families that love the Lord, and raise their kids in a church culture, instead of surrendering them to the streets and the impoverished, Godless, drug and gangsta rap culture subsidized by decades of Leftist entitlement policies —

do quite well.

And yet the Left has cancelled God from public discourse.  

Gee… wonder why?

It’s more complex than that.

But in the simplest terms…  



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Re: We are so blessed go have leaders like Maxine Waters:
« Reply #185 on: April 24, 2021, 07:14:58 PM »
We could throw money at the problem ... oh, wait.

We incarcerate to protect society.  I don't really want violent criminals running around loose.

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« Reply #186 on: April 24, 2021, 07:44:20 PM »
We could throw money at the problem ... oh, wait.

We incarcerate to protect society.  I don't really want violent criminals running around loose.
The path to hell...

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« Reply #187 on: April 24, 2021, 07:56:58 PM »
I have addressed them several times. The use of jail to solve problems was a terrible experiment that has failed spectacularly. Locking people in cages for long amounts of time and subjecting them to a police state has consequences. Who knew!
Just curious.  Do you believe that those "locked up" weren't committing crimes?  That they were all innocent people simply arrested for the color of their skin?  That if we stop arresting them and jailing them, that black society would flourish all of a sudden?  If the police simply decide not to arrest criminals if they have black skin, what do you think happens to the crime rate, especially in black majority neighborhoods?

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« Reply #188 on: April 24, 2021, 08:11:01 PM »
Just curious.  Do you believe that those "locked up" weren't committing crimes?  That they were all innocent people simply arrested for the color of their skin?  That if we stop arresting them and jailing them, that black society would flourish all of a sudden?  If the police simply decide not to arrest criminals if they have black skin, what do you think happens to the crime rate, especially in black majority neighborhoods?
Weez fixin' tah find out...  ;)
Check that --
we already are finding out.

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Re: We are so blessed go have leaders like Maxine Waters:
« Reply #189 on: April 24, 2021, 08:30:02 PM »

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Do you believe that those "locked up" weren't committing crimes?
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That they were all innocent people simply arrested for the color of their skin?
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That if we stop arresting them and jailing them, that black society would flourish all of a sudden?
The vast majority of those arrested could do just fine in society and government services which were tasked with supporting people instead of hurting them, then that would do a lot more for "black society." It is a bit of truthism, but having policy aimed at hurting people, you know, hurts people.



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If the police simply decide not to arrest criminals if they have black skin, what do you think happens to the crime rate, especially in black majority neighborhoods?
I dunno. Probably nothing particularly earth shattering. One fact constantly neglected by police yet no less true is that when they remove various influential people from a neighborhood, other people compete to take that role. For example, say you get rid of the biggest drug dealer on the block. Police celebrate that as a victory, but now you have a market opportunity where several people compete to take that role (usually with less than ideal means) and you have raised the price of drugs by making them harder to sell, which just attracts more people to sell them. It's a cycle that the "prison is good" crowd never thinks about.


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« Reply #190 on: April 25, 2021, 01:03:57 AM »
For example, say you get rid of the biggest drug dealer on the block. Police celebrate that as a victory, but now you have a market opportunity where several people compete to take that role (usually with less than ideal means) and you have raised the price of drugs by making them harder to sell, which just attracts more people to sell them. It's a cycle that the "prison is good" crowd never thinks about.

Good point.  But what is your solution?  For the cops to collude with the biggest drug dealer on the block, protect him, abet him?  Help him to rid the competition so that there will be less violence?  I'm not sure that is an optimal alternative.  Other "solutions"?


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« Reply #191 on: April 25, 2021, 01:26:20 AM »
I live in a relatively  affluent neighborhood in the Huntsville, Alabama suburbs. There are about 25-30% blacks in our neighborhood. One of my closest friends here is black ( retired army).We regularly go out to dinner with our neighbors, including black neighbors.  My wife attends a neighborhood bible study in which about 50% are black ladies.
 I have to assume no one in my neighborhood have got the memo on systemic racism. Or maybe they don't watch CNN. I'm sure there are isolated instances of racism , both white on black and black on white but to middle America, outside of DC and heavily Democratic urban areas.....people only want to live peacefully and judge everyone by the content of their character ( to borrow an line from MLK).
 Democrats need racism to exist to maintain their hold on black voters and will continue to do so until the media realizes they are not the propaganda arm of the DNC.
Road, I think that we live near you. We are in Madison Co, you may be in Limestone. We built our house over 30 years ago and our neighborhood is very diverse. Next door a gay couple and one more in the neighborhood. Mixed race couple across the street and blacks make up 40% or so of the residents. Mostly good folks of all races; otherwise we would not have stayed for 30+ years. 

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« Reply #192 on: April 25, 2021, 08:01:33 AM »
Road, I think that we live near you. We are in Madison Co, you may be in Limestone. 
After Tennessee put Fulmer out to pasture, Roady renounced his loyalty to his alma mater and moved south to be closer to his new alliance, the Crimson Tide of Alabama, whom he wisely expected to go on a dominant run in college football.  We've encouraged him several times to change his handle to Houndstooth, but as you know he's quite stubborn.  

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« Reply #193 on: April 25, 2021, 09:32:19 AM »


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Every time a black person tries to tell me blacks are framed for crimes others committed I tell them that most victims of black criminals are also black. Are those victims lying to the police about who victimized them? Were they actually raped by an Asian or white guy instead of a black guy? Why would they lie about it? They just get mad and storm off since there is no rebuttal to this and it destroys their cherished belief system. Next time I see them they have conveniently forgotten this conversation and are still claiming blacks are framed for crimes they didn’t commit.

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Re: We are so blessed go have leaders like Maxine Waters:
« Reply #194 on: April 25, 2021, 10:00:50 AM »
For example, say you get rid of the biggest drug dealer on the block. Police celebrate that as a victory, but now you have a market opportunity where several people compete to take that role (usually with less than ideal means) and you have raised the price of drugs by making them harder to sell, which just attracts more people to sell them. It's a cycle that the "prison is good" crowd never thinks about.

Good point.  But what is your solution?  For the cops to collude with the biggest drug dealer on the block, protect him, abet him?  Help him to rid the competition so that there will be less violence?  I'm not sure that is an optimal alternative.  Other "solutions"?
I don't know that there is some magic bullet that gets rid of crime. Societies where people don't struggle as much financially have much less crime. People who are in stable environments commit much less crime. While there are some truly depraved people who deserve to go to prison, most people who come in contact with the justice system would benefit more and commit less crime by being connected to support rather than disruption. When you think about it, the justice system mostly functions to disrupt a "criminal's" life, even though we know that disrupting someone's life isn't good if the goal is to decrease crime.

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« Reply #195 on: April 25, 2021, 10:04:28 AM »
That's all nice sounding, but strikes me as impactical.  It's been tried to one extent or another, and recidivism remains very high.

My Dad's job was to set up educational programs in our state and Federal prisons.  He said they all claimed to have been framed.  And nearly all would come back to prison once released.

 

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