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fuzzynavol

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Re: We are so blessed go have leaders like Maxine Waters:
« Reply #168 on: April 24, 2021, 11:20:32 AM »
Locking people in cages for long amounts of time and subjecting them to a police state has consequences. 

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« Reply #169 on: April 24, 2021, 11:33:44 AM »
I mean it's a show, not a political ad. There were a tremendous number of legal and extralegal attempts to keep black people out of white communities. That's factual history, not a political statement. I don't imagine this was a fun experience for black people at the time. So what is divisive about it?
Well, look at communities that are mostly black and tell me about their property values.

I can tell you the black neighborhoods I’ve been through, are unkept, houses in disrepair, lawns not mowed, a seemingly dearth of trash receptacles because trash and litter are everywhere, 3 cars parked on the lawn, etc. 

Seems those type of “not GAF” things make real estate quite unattractive, and of low value. 

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« Reply #170 on: April 24, 2021, 11:48:49 AM »

Lol, I have to laugh at the idea of having a "honest" conversation where we have to pretend that actually, prison is great for people and their families.

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« Reply #171 on: April 24, 2021, 11:56:11 AM »
I can tell you the black neighborhoods I’ve been through, are unkept, houses in disrepair, lawns not mowed, a seemingly dearth of trash receptacles because trash and litter are everywhere, 3 cars parked on the lawn, etc. 

Seems those type of “not GAF” things make real estate quite unattractive, and of low value. 
You left out the windows of most homes are barred (at least in Nashville).  

Two houses ago I was a gentrifier with black neighbors and a black family across the street.  The people across the street replaced a rug and rolled up the old rug up against the side of their house - just left there to rot rather than throwing it away.  Their kids (boys) would come out in the front yard and just pee in the middle of the yard toward the street (of course I loved it and though it was funny).  I had a detached garage and couldn't leave anything of value in it - it'd be gone within a few weeks.  I came home from work one day for lunch and was eating a sandwich and realized a window was open that I'd never opened.  It took it a minute to register and I finally realized something was badly amiss.  I walked out and called the cops from my front yard - they searched the house and no one was there.  They said there was probably a look-out who saw me pull into the driveway and they ran off.  Two houses down were a couple of brothers who were drug dealers.  One night one of them was black-out drunk/high and shot and killed his brother in my next door neighbor's front yard.  He woke up in jail and didn't know why he was there - they had to tell him he murdered his brother (whom they said he loved more than anyone).  Wonder if he's still in that cage?  

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« Reply #172 on: April 24, 2021, 11:58:32 AM »
Lol, I have to laugh at the idea of having a "honest" conversation where we have to pretend that actually, prison is great for people and their families.
It's great their unrealized future victims. 

And it's great for those who learn their lesson and reform.

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« Reply #173 on: April 24, 2021, 12:01:56 PM »
It's great their unrealized future victims.

And it's great for those who learn their lesson and reform.
Unfortunately, America, especially white America, seems unable to learn from this mistake, and still tells themselves that on the whole it has been a good thing, instead of the expensive, cruel boondoggle it has been in reality.

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« Reply #174 on: April 24, 2021, 01:02:45 PM »
Unfortunately, America, especially white America, seems unable to learn from this mistake, and still tells themselves that on the whole it has been a good thing, instead of the expensive, cruel boondoggle it has been in reality.

Fortunately, for the most part, white American teaches their kids very young of the consequences of committing crime, miraculously avoiding the cruel boondoggle altogether.  

It seems to have worked out pretty well. 🤷🏼‍♂️

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« Reply #175 on: April 24, 2021, 01:05:10 PM »
You left out the windows of most homes are barred (at least in Nashville). 

Two houses ago I was a gentrifier with black neighbors and a black family across the street.  The people across the street replaced a rug and rolled up the old rug up against the side of their house - just left there to rot rather than throwing it away.  Their kids (boys) would come out in the front yard and just pee in the middle of the yard toward the street (of course I loved it and though it was funny).  I had a detached garage and couldn't leave anything of value in it - it'd be gone within a few weeks.  I came home from work one day for lunch and was eating a sandwich and realized a window was open that I'd never opened.  It took it a minute to register and I finally realized something was badly amiss.  I walked out and called the cops from my front yard - they searched the house and no one was there.  They said there was probably a look-out who saw me pull into the driveway and they ran off.  Two houses down were a couple of brothers who were drug dealers.  One night one of them was black-out drunk/high and shot and killed his brother in my next door neighbor's front yard.  He woke up in jail and didn't know why he was there - they had to tell him he murdered his brother (whom they said he loved more than anyone).  Wonder if he's still in that cage? 

Wow, a horror story.

Did you get good value from that home when you sold?  😂

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« Reply #176 on: April 24, 2021, 01:05:30 PM »
Fortunately, for the most part, white American teaches their kids very young of the consequences of committing crime, miraculously avoiding the cruel boondoggle altogether. 

It seems to have worked out pretty well. 🤷🏼‍♂️
Also being given every other advantage in life works well too. 

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« Reply #177 on: April 24, 2021, 01:13:26 PM »
Also being given every other advantage in life works well too.

Yeah, starting with at minimum high school educated, 2 parent homes seems to rocket whites right into the working and middle class. 

It ain’t that hard, Sammy. 

Infantilizing the black race, absolving them of personal responsibility will ensure they stay in a state of poverty and chaos. 

I understand the heart being in the right place, and the thought process, but it clearly doesn’t work.  It’s emotional thinking, and it is counterproductive albeit “nice”. 

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« Reply #178 on: April 24, 2021, 01:20:47 PM »
Yeah, starting with at minimum high school educated, 2 parent homes seems to rocket whites right into the working and middle class. 

It ain’t that hard, Sammy. 

Infantilizing the black race, absolving them of personal responsibility will ensure they stay in a state of poverty and chaos. 

I understand the heart being in the right place, and the thought process, but it clearly doesn’t work.  It’s emotional thinking, and it is counterproductive albeit “nice”. 
Eh, we have spent the bulk of our time and money on fixing black people's problems largely by arresting and incarcerating them. There have been other, more positive efforts, but they are more drop in the bucket variety. Further, a lot of the NIMBY style things that white people try to avoid have fallen pretty hard on black Americans, too. So, yes, it doesn't have to be super hard, but quite clearly we haven't even made a shot at doing it.

Even now we see it - the War On Drugs lasted for forty years and was more or less a big expensive waste of life and money. Now we are seeing some movement towards ending it, in large part because the opioid epidemic hit white people hard.

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« Reply #179 on: April 24, 2021, 01:31:30 PM »
Eh, we have spent the bulk of our time and money on fixing black people's problems largely by arresting and incarcerating them. There have been other, more positive efforts, but they are more drop in the bucket variety. Further, a lot of the NIMBY style things that white people try to avoid have fallen pretty hard on black Americans, too. So, yes, it doesn't have to be super hard, but quite clearly we haven't even made a shot at doing it.

Even now we see it - the War On Drugs lasted for forty years and was more or less a big expensive waste of life and money. Now we are seeing some movement towards ending it, in large part because the opioid epidemic hit white people hard.
Eh, we have spent the bulk of our time and money on fixing black people's problems largely by arresting and incarcerating them. There have been other, more positive efforts, but they are more drop in the bucket variety. Further, a lot of the NIMBY style things that white people try to avoid have fallen pretty hard on black Americans, too. So, yes, it doesn't have to be super hard, but quite clearly we haven't even made a shot at doing it.

Even now we see it - the War On Drugs lasted for forty years and was more or less a big expensive waste of life and money. Now we are seeing some movement towards ending it, in large part because the opioid epidemic hit white people hard.

You said it in the first line, Sam.  “We” have spent our time and money trying to fix black American. 

“We” can’t fix it.  “They” have to take the wheel and fix what ails them.  That’s just the reality of the situation. 

“We” have done about all “we” can do.  And frankly, it will never be enough.  And as long as “we” are the architects of “their” successes or failures, there will always be a scapegoat absolving “them” from any responsibility.  Rinse and repeat. 

It is a really sad state of affairs. 

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« Reply #180 on: April 24, 2021, 01:37:23 PM »
Wow, a horror story.

Did you get good value from that home when you sold?  😂
Yes, it was my first house.  I bought it for $82K and sold it for $190K ten years later.  I just looked it up on Zillow and it's estimated at $650K, although it looks like they've added-on and more than doubled it in size (still only 2,000 sqft).  The neighborhood wasn't as bad as I make it sound - mine was the craziest street but I loved it.  Another story - there was a white single mother who lived diagonally across the street and she made the mistake (her words) of giving this guy who'd go door to door asking for handy work.  I think he was a drug addict, but I mean this guy had a set of iron shoulders and arms that you wouldn't believe.  So sometimes when he needed money he'd go to her door and "demand" handiwork.  She was afraid to say no, and would make up something to do collecting leaves or something.  I'd see him coming down the street and watch him through the blinds to make sure nothing bad happened (not that I had a gun).  I was playing pick-up basketball down the street and the guy I was matched up with (called "Bre") wasn't super-skilled or have a great touch, but I just marveled at his speed, jumping and general agility - never seen anything like it.  After the game we're sitting around talking and it comes up that he was Philladelphia Eagles cornerback Brenard Wilson (played at Vandy).  So I'm thinking, oh, no wonder...  

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Re: We are so blessed go have leaders like Maxine Waters:
« Reply #181 on: April 24, 2021, 01:49:11 PM »
You said it in the first line, Sam.  “We” have spent our time and money trying to fix black American. 

“We” can’t fix it.  “They” have to take the wheel and fix what ails them.  That’s just the reality of the situation. 

“We” have done about all “we” can do.  And frankly, it will never be enough.  And as long as “we” are the architects of “their” successes or failures, there will always be a scapegoat absolving “them” from any responsibility.  Rinse and repeat. 

It is a really sad state of affairs. 
I think our attempts at fixing the situation have amounted to using a nail gun to cure cancer. So no, I don't think that is good enough.

 

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