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Topic: We are so blessed go have leaders like Maxine Waters:

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Cincydawg

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Re: We are so blessed go have leaders like Maxine Waters:
« Reply #154 on: April 24, 2021, 07:55:44 AM »
Yes. The main difference is the system of segregation and impoverishment that led to black people being heavily concentrated in impoverished urban areas. Coupled with huge increase in incarceration that effectively destroyed the lives of countless black men and led to a lot of fatherless children (which I know you care about).

You don't think desegregation actually enhanced these issues?  Once blacks could move to any neighborhood they wanted, guess what?  The successful ones moved out.  The lawyers, the doctors, the store owners, the 2-parent households in large part moved out and into nicer neighborhoods.  So who was left?  The poor and single-parent households (most often the same).  Who were the role models left?  Where are the father figures?  It has been a downward spiral in those neighborhoods without fathers and without role models.  How did segregation cause this?  Because on the surface, it seems that the opposite took place.
When I was a kid in Augusta, GA, there was a "nice" black area in town where the upper class blacks lived.  They stayed there after "desegregation" happened (which didn't happen for a long time of course).  The "slums" stayed slums.  They were really bad,  effectively a separate area into which the police didn't bother going, ever.

I don't think the upper class blacks, a relative term, started moving out for another 15-20 years or so.  Then as they moved into a white area, the whites moved out, depressing property values so more lower middle class blacks could move in.  Gentrification in reverse.

My neighborhood today is nearly all black, it was entirely white for miles when we lived there.  Other areas not far from us now were all black at the time and today are majority white.  I can recall areas around North Avenue that were to be avoided when I lived here 1970ish, now they are solidly middle class and low crime areas.

The N-S street names still change as they go south of Ponce de Leon in many cases because south of that line was "reserved" for black folks, back in the day, and north was for whites, and they didn't want to share a street name.  This is still the case, Monroe becomes Boulevard.

Government didn't help the Native Americans either, even after it started trying.  The reservations out west are some of the most depressing places I've seen in the country.

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Re: We are so blessed go have leaders like Maxine Waters:
« Reply #155 on: April 24, 2021, 08:25:33 AM »
There is a constant shell game where black people try to move to affluent neighborhoods and then the neighborhood becomes less affluent because the black people moved there. Makes it tough to accumulate wealth.

There is a horror show on Amazon called Them, about a black family moving to mostly-white Compton in 1953. Horror is about the only genre that works there.

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Re: We are so blessed go have leaders like Maxine Waters:
« Reply #156 on: April 24, 2021, 09:00:26 AM »
There is a constant shell game where black people try to move to affluent neighborhoods and then the neighborhood becomes less affluent because the black people moved there. Makes it tough to accumulate wealth.

There is a horror show on Amazon called Them, about a black family moving to mostly-white Compton in 1953. Horror is about the only genre that works there.
Data?
When?  In the 1960s?  Maybe.
Since 2000?  I seriously doubt it.

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Re: We are so blessed go have leaders like Maxine Waters:
« Reply #157 on: April 24, 2021, 09:24:14 AM »
When?  In the 1960s?  Maybe.
That's the point I was going to make - for the illiberal left, the 60's will live on forever.  These BLM marchers are pure 60's-era wannabe's minus the legitimate political agenda.  

But I wouldn't pat myself on the back - like most on this board, you're still stuck in the 80's.  ;)

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Re: We are so blessed go have leaders like Maxine Waters:
« Reply #158 on: April 24, 2021, 09:43:31 AM »
There is a constant shell game where black people try to move to affluent neighborhoods and then the neighborhood becomes less affluent because the black people moved there. Makes it tough to accumulate wealth.

There is a horror show on Amazon called Them, about a black family moving to mostly-white Compton in 1953. Horror is about the only genre that works there.
I live in a relatively  affluent neighborhood in the Huntsville, Alabama suburbs. There are about 25-30% blacks in our neighborhood. One of my closest friends here is black ( retired army).We regularly go out to dinner with our neighbors, including black neighbors.  My wife attends a neighborhood bible study in which about 50% are black ladies.
 I have to assume no one in my neighborhood have got the memo on systemic racism. Or maybe they don't watch CNN. I'm sure there are isolated instances of racism , both white on black and black on white but to middle America, outside of DC and heavily Democratic urban areas.....people only want to live peacefully and judge everyone by the content of their character ( to borrow an line from MLK).
 Democrats need racism to exist to maintain their hold on black voters and will continue to do so until the media realizes they are not the propaganda arm of the DNC.

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Re: We are so blessed go have leaders like Maxine Waters:
« Reply #159 on: April 24, 2021, 09:49:29 AM »
Data?
When?  In the 1960s?  Maybe.
Since 2000?  I seriously doubt it.

Well, look at communities that are mostly black and tell me about their property values.

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Re: We are so blessed go have leaders like Maxine Waters:
« Reply #160 on: April 24, 2021, 09:50:46 AM »
That's the point I was going to make - for the illiberal left, the 60's will live on forever.  These BLM marchers are pure 60's-era wannabe's minus the legitimate political agenda. 

But I wouldn't pat myself on the back - like most on this board, you're still stuck in the 80's.  ;)

I think there is sort of a collective shared delusion that because we have made some progress on racism, black people have no problems caused by racism. Reality isn't so kind.

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Re: We are so blessed go have leaders like Maxine Waters:
« Reply #161 on: April 24, 2021, 09:58:13 AM »
I think there is sort of a collective shared delusion that because we have made some progress on racism, black people have no problems caused by racism. Reality isn't so kind.
Reality is there is more black on white crime than white on black. But since that doesn't fit the media's ( or yours and the DNC ) narrative we never hear about it.
The vast majority of crimes , especially homicides has absolutely nothing to do with racism but with poverty, education, drugs and assorted other factors.

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Re: We are so blessed go have leaders like Maxine Waters:
« Reply #162 on: April 24, 2021, 10:09:21 AM »
Data?
When?  In the 1960s?  Maybe.
Since 2000?  I seriously doubt it.


The setting is long, long ago.

Had a friend tell me about the show just this week.   It's obviously not worth watching.    It's a blatant attempt to divide.

Hope my friend isn't Max 

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Re: We are so blessed go have leaders like Maxine Waters:
« Reply #163 on: April 24, 2021, 10:40:34 AM »
Guys, a little Adult theme....

I have had a black girlfriend before......The " adult experience" is no different than with any white woman.....The first few times it felt a little taboo, but after awhile, I just wanted to watch the game.

It's really all the same...If it wasn't for the news media, we would all get along.

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Re: We are so blessed go have leaders like Maxine Waters:
« Reply #164 on: April 24, 2021, 10:45:05 AM »

The setting is long, long ago.

Had a friend tell me about the show just this week.  It's obviously not worth watching.    It's a blatant attempt to divide.

Hope my friend isn't Max
I mean it's a show, not a political ad. There were a tremendous number of legal and extralegal attempts to keep black people out of white communities. That's factual history, not a political statement. I don't imagine this was a fun experience for black people at the time. So what is divisive about it?

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Re: We are so blessed go have leaders like Maxine Waters:
« Reply #165 on: April 24, 2021, 10:46:24 AM »
I think there is sort of a collective shared delusion that because we have made some progress on racism, black people have no problems caused by racism. Reality isn't so kind.
I agree with this 100%.

Since you didn't address any of HK's points, I hope you at least thought about them.  

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Re: We are so blessed go have leaders like Maxine Waters:
« Reply #166 on: April 24, 2021, 10:49:01 AM »
I have had a black girlfriend before......The " adult experience" is no different than with any white woman.....The first few times it felt a little taboo, but after awhile, I just wanted to watch the game.
So have I, and she's my favorite "adult experience" I like to reminisce about from my illustrious batchelorhood.  

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Re: We are so blessed go have leaders like Maxine Waters:
« Reply #167 on: April 24, 2021, 10:50:01 AM »
I agree with this 100%.

Since you didn't address any of HK's points, I hope you at least thought about them. 
I have addressed them several times. The use of jail to solve problems was a terrible experiment that has failed spectacularly. Locking people in cages for long amounts of time and subjecting them to a police state has consequences. Who knew!

 

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