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Topic: We are so blessed go have leaders like Maxine Waters:

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HK_Vol

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Re: We are so blessed go have leaders like Maxine Waters:
« Reply #140 on: April 23, 2021, 09:50:15 PM »
Hmm.  If that is truly the case, then that would offer up a great opportunity to make excess profits by serving a community that is being ignored.  Right?  Wouldn't it be awesome if a black person started up a mortgage company and made all those profits being given up intentionally by the racist mortgage company?  That makes sense.  No?

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« Reply #141 on: April 23, 2021, 09:52:20 PM »

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Black crime rates were no different than those of whites from 1900 to 1960.  What changed? Racism got worse after 1960?  Or could it be other factors rather than skin color that are at work?
Yes. The main difference is the system of segregation and impoverishment that led to black people being heavily concentrated in impoverished urban areas. Coupled with huge increase in incarceration that effectively destroyed the lives of countless black men and led to a lot of fatherless children (which I know you care about). 

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Re: We are so blessed go have leaders like Maxine Waters:
« Reply #142 on: April 23, 2021, 09:55:39 PM »
Judge in chauvin(sp?) Trial just announced waters comments are grounds for appeal. 

Ouch. 

Flipped the script.  

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« Reply #143 on: April 23, 2021, 09:59:58 PM »
Judge in chauvin(sp?) Trial just announced waters comments are grounds for appeal.

Ouch.

Flipped the script. 
Well he did say that, though having a ground for appeal and having a successful appeal are two very different things. Just imagine they do grant his appeal on that issue - appellate lawyers would be collecting every single public statement about a trial to present as grounds for appeal. 

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« Reply #144 on: April 23, 2021, 10:00:53 PM »
Hmm.  If that is truly the case, then that would offer up a great opportunity to make excess profits by serving a community that is being ignored.  Right?  Wouldn't it be awesome if a black person started up a mortgage company and made all those profits being given up intentionally by the racist mortgage company?  That makes sense.  No?

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/nations-largest-black-owned-mortgage-company-rapidly-expands-to-create-more-black-homeowners-301175096.html

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Re: We are so blessed go have leaders like Maxine Waters:
« Reply #145 on: April 23, 2021, 10:15:33 PM »
Yes. The main difference is the system of segregation and impoverishment that led to black people being heavily concentrated in impoverished urban areas. Coupled with huge increase in incarceration that effectively destroyed the lives of countless black men and led to a lot of fatherless children (which I know you care about).
Do you remember when we all used to just laugh at the utter asininity of liberal hogwash like this?  The absolute upside down absurdness of it?  Like listening to the gibberish of an idiot child?

And now it is what comes out of the oval office.  And every organ of government, media, and Big Tech/Business.  And always will.

Congrats, Sam.  Your side won.

And we all lost. 



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« Reply #146 on: April 23, 2021, 10:27:55 PM »
Yes. The main difference is the system of segregation and impoverishment that led to black people being heavily concentrated in impoverished urban areas. Coupled with huge increase in incarceration that effectively destroyed the lives of countless black men and led to a lot of fatherless children (which I know you care about).
Willful destruction of the family via. social experiments, lack if discipline at home/in the school/by family, etc. is the starting point.

Then look the failure if schools, look to who the idolize, entertainment that glorifies a thug lifestyle mentality, etc.

The removal of a strong Christian influence.

I realize you would rather blame someone instead of going to the root causes and try to fix them.


« Last Edit: April 23, 2021, 10:39:52 PM by DunkingDan »
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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Re: We are so blessed go have leaders like Maxine Waters:
« Reply #147 on: April 23, 2021, 10:33:30 PM »
Well he did say that, though having a ground for appeal and having a successful appeal are two very different things. Just imagine they do grant his appeal on that issue - appellate lawyers would be collecting every single public statement about a trial to present as grounds for appeal.
So... it was but a political stunt? Okay... just like waters.. just like the trial to begin with... just like the pretending a career criminal is a Saint. 

Optics?

Sure.  Just like everything else as lady liberty cries. 

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« Reply #148 on: April 23, 2021, 11:43:44 PM »
Yes. The main difference is the system of segregation and impoverishment that led to black people being heavily concentrated in impoverished urban areas. Coupled with huge increase in incarceration that effectively destroyed the lives of countless black men and led to a lot of fatherless children (which I know you care about).

You don't think desegregation actually enhanced these issues?  Once blacks could move to any neighborhood they wanted, guess what?  The successful ones moved out.  The lawyers, the doctors, the store owners, the 2-parent households in large part moved out and into nicer neighborhoods.  So who was left?  The poor and single-parent households (most often the same).  Who were the role models left?  Where are the father figures?  It has been a downward spiral in those neighborhoods without fathers and without role models.  How did segregation cause this?  Because on the surface, it seems that the opposite took place.



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Re: We are so blessed go have leaders like Maxine Waters:
« Reply #149 on: April 23, 2021, 11:56:41 PM »

https://www.unitedfamilies.org/child-development/fatherlessness-poverty-and-crime/


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A study of adolescents convicted of homicide in adult court found that at the time of the crimes, 42.9 percent of their parents had never been married, 29.5 percent were divorced and 8.9 percent were separated. Less than 20 percent of these children were from married parent households.

Patrick Darby, Wesley Allan, Javad Kashani, Kenneth Hartke and John Reid, “Analysis of 112 Juveniles Who Committed Homicide: Characteristics and a Closer Look at Family Abuse,” Journal of Family Violence 13 (1998): 365-374.
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Boys who are fatherless from birth are 3.061 times as likely to go to jail as peers from intact families, while boys who do not see their father depart until they are 10 to 14 years old are 2.396 times as likely to go to jail as peers from intact families.  Cynthia C. Harper and Sara S. McLanahan, “Father Absence and Youth Incarceration,” Journal of Research on Adolescence 14 (2004): 369-397
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States with a lower percentage of single-parent families, on average, had lower rates of juvenile crime. State-by-state analysis indicated that, in general, a 10-percent increase in the number of children living in single-parent homes (including divorces) accompanied a 17-percent increase in juvenile crime.

Patrick Fagan, The Real Root Causes of Violent Crime: The Breakdown of Marriage, Family, and Community, The Heritage Foundation, Backgrounder #1026, March 17, 1995.

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“Among married two-parent families, whether white or black, the crime rate was very low.  The capacity and determination to maintain stable married relationships, not race, was cited as the pivotal factor.  Chaotic, broken communities resulted from chaotic, broken families.”  

Patrick Fagan, “The Real Root Causes of Violent Crime:  The Breakdown of Marriage, Family, and Community,” The Heritage Foundation, Backgrounder #1026, March 1995.
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Growing up with both married parents in a low-conflict marriage was so important to child wellbeing that it was replacing race, class, and neighborhood as the greatest source of difference in child outcomes.

Testimony of Barbara Dafoe Whitehead Before The Committee On Health, Education, Labor And Pensions Subcommittee On Children And Families, U.S. Senate, April 28, 2004.


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Re: We are so blessed go have leaders like Maxine Waters:
« Reply #150 on: April 24, 2021, 12:00:26 AM »
https://fordhaminstitute.org/national/commentary/power-two-parent-home-not-myth

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Being raised in a married-couple household led the poverty rate for black children to go down 73 percent compared to mother-only households and 67 percent compared to father-only households. And as evidence of the power of family structure to transcend race, 31 percent of white children raised in mother-only households live in poverty, versus just 12 percent of black children living with their married parents. That is a stunning realization.




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Re: We are so blessed go have leaders like Maxine Waters:
« Reply #151 on: April 24, 2021, 12:04:41 AM »
https://www.dailysignal.com/2017/09/20/black-family-struggling-not-slavery/

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The No. 1 problem among blacks is the effects stemming from a very weak family structure.

Children from fatherless homes are likelier to drop out of high school, die by suicide, have behavioral disorders, join gangs, commit crimes, and end up in prison. They are also likelier to live in poverty-stricken households.

But is the weak black family a legacy of slavery?

In 1960, just 22 percent of black children were raised in single-parent families. Fifty years later, more than 70 percent of black children were raised in single-parent families.

Here’s my question: Was the increase in single-parent black families after 1960 a legacy of slavery, or might it be a legacy of the welfare state ushered in by the War on Poverty?

According to the 1938 Encyclopaedia of the Social Sciences, that year 11 percent of black children were born to unwed mothers. Today about 75 percent of black children are born to unwed mothers.

Is that supposed to be a delayed response to the legacy of slavery?

The bottom line is that the black family was stronger the first 100 years after slavery than during what will be the second 100 years.


At one time, almost all black families were poor, regardless of whether one or both parents were present. Today roughly 30 percent of blacks are poor.

However, two-parent black families are rarely poor. Only 8 percent of black married-couple families live in poverty. Among black families in which both the husband and wife work full time, the poverty rate is under 5 percent. Poverty in black families headed by single women is 37 percent.

The undeniable truth is that neither slavery nor Jim Crow nor the harshest racism has decimated the black family the way the welfare state has.


In every census from 1890 to 1954, blacks were either just as active or more so than whites in the labor market. During that earlier period, black teen unemployment was roughly equal to or less than white teen unemployment.

As early as 1900, the duration of black unemployment was 15 percent shorter than that of whites. Today it’s about 30 percent longer.

Would anyone suggest that during earlier periods, there was less racial discrimination?


Then there’s education. Many black 12th-graders deal with scientific problems at the level of whites in the sixth grade. They write and do math about as well as white seventh- and eighth-graders.

All of this means that an employer hiring or a college admitting the typical black high school graduate is in effect hiring or admitting an eighth-grader. Thus, one should not be surprised by the outcomes.

The most damage done to black Americans is inflicted by those politicians, civil rights leaders, and academics who assert that every problem confronting blacks is a result of a legacy of slavery and discrimination. That’s a vision that guarantees perpetuity for the problems.

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Re: We are so blessed go have leaders like Maxine Waters:
« Reply #152 on: April 24, 2021, 07:39:38 AM »

Willful destruction of the family via. social experiments, lack if discipline at home/in the school/by family, etc. is the starting point.

Then look the failure if schools, look to who the idolize, entertainment that glorifies a thug lifestyle mentality, etc.

The removal of a strong Christian influence.

I realize you would rather blame someone instead of going to the root causes and try to fix them.
I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you. The biggest social experiment was using large prison sentences pretty liberally - that has been an absolute disaster. I would probably disagree re: Christianity - by and large black people tend to be more religious and conservative. In any event, this constant disruption of the family has been a huge problem, coupled with all the other things black people deal with. So here we are.

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« Reply #153 on: April 24, 2021, 07:55:04 AM »
I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you. The biggest social experiment

You really need to read your history and concentrate on the period someone mentioned of when the big change started occurring 

 I would probably disagree re: Christianity - by and large black people tend to be more religious and conservative.

At one time they were but any more?? Conservatives!!!, when the vote for Dem's LOL 

 In any event, this constant disruption of the family has been a huge problem, coupled with all the other things black people deal with.

So you think they are incapable of improving their own lot when the tools are there for them? 

Do you realize a lot of the problems are now bleeding over into Caucasians? Why is it other ethnic groups have been able to grasp the so called brass ring and increase their station in life?   
 


President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

 

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