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Topic: Ward v. Polite

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DunkingDan

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Ward v. Polite
« on: March 04, 2018, 03:41:09 PM »
Client Story

Julea Ward


When Julea Ward walked into the room of professors from the counseling department, she hoped to find more tolerance than she’d received from her counseling supervisor at Eastern Michigan University. She was wrong.
 
 Her counseling supervisor had already conducted an informal review of Julea, and now she had to endure another interrogation of her Christian faith from a review board of other faculty. Her offense? She referred a potential client who wanted advice on his same-sex relationship to another fellow counselor. Although she was willing to work with all clients, she could not affirm a relationship that was contrary to her faith. 

 


 


 
Unanimously, the school review board decided to expel her from the counseling program. Julea appealed, but her dismissal was upheld. Julea then contacted Alliance Defending Freedom, who helped her take legal action against the school.
 
 This time, the court ruled in Julea’s favor, stating “Ward was willing to work with all clients and to respect the school’s affirmation directives in doing so. That is why she asked to refer gay and lesbian clients (and some heterosexual clients) if the conversation required her to affirm their sexual practices. What more could the [non-discrimination] rule require? Surely, for example, the ban on discrimination against clients based on their religion does not require a Muslim counselor to tell a Jewish client that his religious beliefs are correct if the conversation takes a turn in that direction and does not require an atheist counselor to tell a person of faith that there is a God if the client is wrestling with faith-based issues. Tolerance is a two-way street.”
 
 Eastern Michigan University paid a settlement to Julea and removed the expulsion from her record.
 
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President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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Re: Ward v. Polite
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2018, 03:52:23 PM »
It blows my mind that the party of tolerance is so intolerant of different views.

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Re: Ward v. Polite
« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2018, 09:24:41 AM »
But Dan how can that story be true scotch and fuzzy both keep telling us there is no war on Christianity going on by the democrats and left wing lunatics?
If everyone is thinking alike then somebody isn't thinking.

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Re: Ward v. Polite
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2018, 10:52:33 AM »
I think people, businesses and, in this case, Universities should stop even addressing this as a religious issue and make it much simpler: why are you refusing to do your job?  You want to be a counselor, right?  Then be an adult and counsel this person.  Religion, no more than any other belief, is justification for not doing your job.  
« Last Edit: March 05, 2018, 10:57:29 AM by P1tchBlack »

DunkingDan

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Re: Ward v. Polite
« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2018, 05:44:23 PM »
Lets ignore the constitution, especially the part that protects religious liberties   
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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Re: Ward v. Polite
« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2018, 05:49:01 PM »
I have freedom of speech/expression.  The way I choose to exercise my rights to expression, along with my strongly held belief that brown people are evil, is by not serving black people or hispanics.  Sound good to you or are religious rights the only rights that allow discrimination?
« Last Edit: March 07, 2018, 09:48:21 AM by P1tchBlack »

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Re: Ward v. Polite
« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2018, 05:53:04 PM »
I have freedom of speech/expression.  The way I choose to exercise my rights to expression is by not serving black people or hispanics.  Sound good to you or are religious rights the only rights that allow discrimination?
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

P1tchBlack

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Re: Ward v. Polite
« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2018, 06:01:12 PM »
It may not be your point, but it's a valid point.  Why do ONLY religious people have the right to strongly held beliefs and the right to act on those beliefs?
« Last Edit: March 07, 2018, 09:50:51 AM by P1tchBlack »

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Re: Ward v. Polite
« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2018, 10:52:58 AM »
It may not be your point, but it's a valid point.  Why do ONLY religious people have the right to strongly held beliefs and the right to act on those beliefs?
Anyone?  Why can't I use my first amendment rights, combined with my strongly held beliefs, to discriminate against whoever I want?

 

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