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Topic: Verdict reached in the Chauvin trial

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HK_Vol

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Re: Verdict reached in the Chauvin trial
« Reply #14 on: April 20, 2021, 06:44:43 PM »
What can we deduce from this?

1 - No one will want to work as a police officer - at least in Minneapolis.
2 - Police will no longer confront a criminal - especially if the person is something other than white.
3 - The crime rate, already high, will go higher.
4 - Gangs will gain more power in the city (already happened in the Somali section of town).

Put it this way, I have zero interest in visiting Minneapolis and I sure would be moving away if I lived there.  Will be interesting to see if there is any vandalism tonight, and if so, if the police bother to even respond.  If they do, I'm betting it won't be in a prompt manner.



Habakkuk 1:4 - "Therefore the law is paralyzed, and justice never goes forth. For the wicked hem in the righteous, so that justice is perverted."

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Re: Verdict reached in the Chauvin trial
« Reply #15 on: April 20, 2021, 07:08:21 PM »
The President at least waited until the jury was sequestered.

The jury WASNT sequestered.

Maybe he meant in deliberation.  But yeah, that's not the same thing at all.  And while I doubt the jury was influenced by illegitimate Joe's incoherent ramblings, anything is possible.

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Re: Verdict reached in the Chauvin trial
« Reply #16 on: April 20, 2021, 07:52:37 PM »
The jury went home over the weekend before deciding on the case.
Can't think that some weren't influenced over those 48 hours.

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Re: Verdict reached in the Chauvin trial
« Reply #17 on: April 20, 2021, 07:58:59 PM »
Of course they were.

To an extent Chauvin is a sacrificial lamb, crucified on the altar of political wokeness.

Guilt on a lesser charge would have been understandable, but could any sane juror do any less than guilty on all charges?

Could the judge have actually presided over a fair trial?  Not just no, but hell no.  His life would have been a living hell.  His home torched.

This is the justice system turned on its head.

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Re: Verdict reached in the Chauvin trial
« Reply #18 on: April 20, 2021, 08:39:57 PM »
Of course they were.

To an extent Chauvin is a sacrificial lamb, crucified on the altar of political wokeness.

Guilt on a lesser charge would have been understandable, but could any sane juror do any less than guilty on all charges?

Could the judge have actually presided over a fair trial?  Not just no, but hell no.  His life would have been a living hell.  His home torched.

This is the justice system turned on its head.
Is there a particular charge you had an issue with?

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Re: Verdict reached in the Chauvin trial
« Reply #19 on: April 20, 2021, 08:42:23 PM »
The verdict:

Pragmatic? 

Check.

Practical?

Check.

Necessary?  In order to prevent weeks of mindless Godless riots?  And the destruction of the jurors' lives?

Inarguably.

Just?

No.

Chauvin deserved to be punished.  Voluntary manslaughter, perhaps.  He did not intend to kill Floyd.  But his actions may have contributed to Floyd’s death. 

George Floyd brought all of this on himself.  He foolishly put himself in circumstances that caused him to forfeit his life — which he apparently did not hold dear.

None of which matters.  Facts are irrelevant.

All pubic policy in this nation is henceforth dictated by the Godless woke mob, the Godless media mob, and the Godless Big Tech cosa nostra.

America is truly unique and exceptional, in every respect.

Including this one:

We are the only nation in history to have risen to unprecedented power and achievement, owing to our Christianized Western European heritage;

but which has DELIBERATELY thrown off, and thrown away, that power and achievement and heritage.  In order to become a third world banana republic, where justice no longer resides.

I remain limitlessly thankful that I wasn’t born ONE MINUTE later than I was.




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Re: Verdict reached in the Chauvin trial
« Reply #20 on: April 20, 2021, 09:05:55 PM »
Guilt on a lesser charge would have been understandable, but could any sane juror do any less than guilty on all charges?

What is your disagreement with the finding of guilt on all charges?  

Could the judge have actually presided over a fair trial?

What was unfair about the trial itself?  

Not just no, but hell no.  His life would have been a living hell.  His home torched.

Why blame the judge for the verdict of the jury?  

This is the justice system turned on its head.

I understand the pressure on the jury, but why blame the referee?  The trial itself seemed fair, but I understand the suspicion that the jury was intimidated.  Wouldn't it therefore be the verdict that was unfair, not the trial?  Or is that a distinction without a difference?  

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Re: Verdict reached in the Chauvin trial
« Reply #21 on: April 20, 2021, 10:34:25 PM »
The verdict:

Pragmatic? 

Check.

Practical?

Check.

Necessary?  In order to prevent weeks of mindless Godless riots?  And the destruction of the jurors' lives?

Inarguably.

Just?

No.

Chauvin deserved to be punished.  Voluntary manslaughter, perhaps.  He did not intend to kill Floyd.  But his actions may have contributed to Floyd’s death. 

George Floyd brought all of this on himself.  He foolishly put himself in circumstances that caused him to forfeit his life — which he apparently did not hold dear.

None of which matters.  Facts are irrelevant.

All pubic policy in this nation is henceforth dictated by the Godless woke mob, the Godless media mob, and the Godless Big Tech cosa nostra.

America is truly unique and exceptional, in every respect.

Including this one:

We are the only nation in history to have risen to unprecedented power and achievement, owing to our Christianized Western European heritage;

but which has DELIBERATELY thrown off, and thrown away, that power and achievement and heritage.  In order to become a third world banana republic, where justice no longer resides.

I remain limitlessly thankful that I wasn’t born ONE MINUTE later than I was.




These are times when I am thankful that God did not give us children. Change has come much faster than I could have anticipated. 

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Re: Verdict reached in the Chauvin trial
« Reply #22 on: April 20, 2021, 10:58:33 PM »
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/rule-of-law/chauvin-trial-a-political-nightmare/

Blog/Rule of Law
Posted Apr 20, 2021 by Martin Armstrong

While the jury found Derek Chauvin guilty on all charges, he faces a maximum of 75 years in prison but what he would face is probably the hardest time of all. Why? Being a cop, he will be a target in prison and highly likely to be killed. Thus, they will probably keep him in special housing – protective custody. He will probably wish he got the death sentence for death will be a far easier way to do your time.

Most people would have said guilty even if this were not a politically charged case. But the real problem is all the political comments such as Maxime Waters. With politicians commenting before the verdict and even Biden saying he hoped the jury would make the right decision, there is no way he actually had a fair trial under the law and that can keep the case alive for probably the next decade. In the real world, he would be entitled to a new trial. But this is such a national case, it is hard to expect judges to actually rule according to the law. They would run the personal risk of people claiming they are protecting a racist.

This of course has nothing to do with his actual guilt or innocence. It would have been such a simple matter for politicians to just refuse to comment before the verdict. Most politicians reacted AFTER the verdict which is the way it should have been. That would have killed any appeal concerning the denial of a fair trial. Often, in a high-profile case, the trial might be moved to another court outside the area. But this is a national case so that stands little hope of finding an area that would be unfamiliar.

While in any other case, a defendant would probably win a mistrial motion. But in this case, it is hard to see how a judge would rule in Chauvin’s favor for a new trial without risking their own lives and that of their family. It is not a question of being innocent. It is just a question when politicians do not understand they have to keep their mouths shut and let the jury decide the case – that is what the Constitution is all about.  While there will be appeals, I doubt he will win a new trial.

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Re: Verdict reached in the Chauvin trial
« Reply #23 on: April 20, 2021, 10:59:28 PM »
Huge intimidation factor. Similar to the OJ case? Speaking of the OJ case....

Dershowitz to Newsmax TV: Chauvin Guilty Verdict Product of Jury Fear, Not Due Process

https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/dershowitz-waters-violence-chauvin/2021/04/20/id/1018391/

Legal scholar Alan Dershowitz said he was doubtful that the Derek Chauvin guilty verdict was a product of due process and the rule of law. Instead, he pronounced the verdict the result of "outside influences."


''I have no real confidence that this verdict, which may be correct in some ways, but I have no confidence that this verdict was produced by due process and the rule of law, rather than the influence of the crowd,"


The ''outside influences of Al Sharpton and Maxine Waters,'' he said, was like the ''sword of Damocles hanging over the jury,'' and that they were ''basically saying [indirectly to the jury] if you don't convict on the murder charge and all the charges, the cities will burn, the country will be destroyed.''

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Re: Verdict reached in the Chauvin trial
« Reply #24 on: April 20, 2021, 11:32:11 PM »
Don't understand why the jury wasn't sequestered, knowing full well of the outside influences!

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Re: Verdict reached in the Chauvin trial
« Reply #25 on: April 20, 2021, 11:56:44 PM »
If they had been sequestered, they may have come back with the wrong answer. Less intimidation?

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